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Old 07-09-2011, 09:29 PM
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How?

He said nothing.
I thought he did.

For the same reason why pool guarantees work, racing needs to recognize the core group of people who enjoy spending large amounts of money at the windows instead of trying to convert the random potential fan first. How many people do we all know who have scaled back their play for whatever reason? Racing handle declines are not because we are not recruiting a new fan base.
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:33 PM
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I consider "degenerates" in this case as anyone who is willing to take their entertainment dollar and gamble. Not necessarily those who take their mortgage payment.
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:36 PM
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Aweeeee, Did they show Zenyatta dance!?

She's so sweeeeet. Pretty girl, pretty baby. I love her!
gee, thats about as good as the fool that said uncle mo was faster than zenyatta and blame..i guess you had to change your name after that humiliation...or the morons that claimed rachel was better than ruffian.......big brown and quality road were unbeatable.........at least these people don't pretend to know what they are talking about.....i read all that crap here by people that say they know what they are doing....whats the difference????...i don't comment here much anymore...theres so much useless crap to read for laughs...but you should look in the mirror before you talk like that...they sound like YOU and so many other retards on here......just could not resist....WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT DERBY NERD HORSE THAT THE BANDWAGON JUMPS ON??.....so i can hear all the pretty horse talk...you do it so well!.just like them..lol
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:38 PM
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Oh boy. Zenyatta brings them all out. lol. lol. lol!!!!
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:15 PM
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gee, thats about as good as the fool that said uncle mo was faster than zenyatta and blame..i guess you had to change your name after that humiliation...or the morons that claimed rachel was better than ruffian.......big brown and quality road were unbeatable.........at least these people don't pretend to know what they are talking about.....i read all that crap here by people that say they know what they are doing....whats the difference????...i don't comment here much anymore...theres so much useless crap to read for laughs...but you should look in the mirror before you talk like that...they sound like YOU and so many other retards on here......just could not resist....WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT DERBY NERD HORSE THAT THE BANDWAGON JUMPS ON??.....so i can hear all the pretty horse talk...you do it so well!.just like them..lol
Quit slobbering all over your keyboard - and go back to playing with your toy firetrucks.
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:23 PM
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I consider "degenerates" in this case as anyone who is willing to take their entertainment dollar and gamble. Not necessarily those who take their mortgage payment.
Travis - 'market' to degenerates is no recipe for success - especially when you consider how often out of touch those are who do the marketing.

Sure -some marketing gimmicks (pool guarantees) will have mild success in the right situations - most of them are worthless.

If it's going to be a game of using buzzwords without getting into specifics -Methodically grow, build, cultivate, develop, innovate when I think of marketing in racing - I think of silly ideas.
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:34 PM
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All I'm saying is that it get's old listening to everyone hate on her. The same people that bitch about horse racing not getting enough coverage are the same people that nit pick and put down all of the "stars" of the game. We get it...no horse today is as good as horses 30, 50, 70 years ago. You know more about racing than the average person, congratulations.
The general public knows Zenyatta...if you were putting on a horse racing segment on ESPN, who would you do a piece on??? Remember, it's all about ratings and appealing to the general sports fan....not hard core racing fans.
Kindly point out one piece of 'hate' you've seen on here about her.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:40 PM
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The issue as I see it and I'm not talking for Cakes, but I think this was more of his point....Having it be Zenyatta isn't the issue. Sure, it adds a certain laughable factor to it, but to spend anytime talking about her, Blame, Rachel Alexandra, etc was pointless.

As has been mentioned, their time would have been better used introducing each horse, giving us updates on leaders in the division so we can see who these horses might face later on. Through in some handicapping and it would have been better served.

The race, even though kind of an eyesore was a close finish, and something a "newbie" might remember and want to watch something like that again. lol!!!!
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:02 AM
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The issue as I see it and I'm not talking for Cakes, but I think this was more of his point....Having it be Zenyatta isn't the issue. Sure, it adds a certain laughable factor to it, but to spend anytime talking about her, Blame, Rachel Alexandra, etc was pointless.

As has been mentioned, their time would have been better used introducing each horse, giving us updates on leaders in the division so we can see who these horses might face later on. Through in some handicapping and it would have been better served.

The race, even though kind of an eyesore was a close finish, and something a "newbie" might remember and want to watch something like that again. lol!!!!
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What made it kind of an eyesore?
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:15 AM
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Why was it kind of an eyesore?
Looked like 3 horses who wanted no part of that 10th furlong coming down the lane. Granted, it was a close finish, but these horses aren't much IMO. Twirling Candy, although beaten very little isn;t going to get 10 furlongs rating and I don't think he'll get it on the muscle either. Especially on synth.

Gimme Setsuko with a different rider and I think he beats them all at Del Mar.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:08 AM
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Gimme Setsuko with a different rider and I think he beats them all at Del Mar.
I can hardly wait.

Final time 2:07 2/5 I assume?
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:33 AM
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I can hardly wait.

Final time 2:07 2/5 I assume?
Apparently, you believe they are going to get faster between now and then? I hope not as I was planning on bringing out my sundial.
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:24 PM
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Apparently, you believe they are going to get faster between now and then? I hope not as I was planning on bringing out my sundial.
It's the new generous me.
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:14 AM
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All in all a good race! Exciting finish! DUDE!
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:05 PM
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It's gonna be cool to see good racing,that is also exiting, when Saratoga opens
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:30 PM
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Pardon me. My point, which Vince Stauffer had deleted, addresses exactly this:

There is a DIFFERENCE between good racing and exciting racing.

Those who draw no differentiation between the two are in grave error.
Any decision to delete anything was made by me. It was not by request. I woke up this morning, saw the unnecessary posts and took them down.
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Any decision to delete anything was made by me. It was not by request. I woke up this morning, saw the unnecessary posts and took them down.
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:55 PM
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:26 PM
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gee, thats about as good as the fool that said uncle mo was faster than zenyatta and blame..i guess you had to change your name after that humiliation...or the morons that claimed rachel was better than ruffian.......big brown and quality road were unbeatable.........at least these people don't pretend to know what they are talking about.....i read all that crap here by people that say they know what they are doing....whats the difference????...i don't comment here much anymore...theres so much useless crap to read for laughs...but you should look in the mirror before you talk like that...they sound like YOU and so many other retards on here......just could not resist....WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT DERBY NERD HORSE THAT THE BANDWAGON JUMPS ON??.....so i can hear all the pretty horse talk...you do it so well!.just like them..lol
You never answered my challenge for a handicapping face-off. Picks before races are run.
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