Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[trackrat59]

The Founding Fathers. When they wrote all the good crap they wrote way back when they clearly had no idea what the world would look like today. If they could come back I think they would ask for an eraser.

[Riot]

ins cos are being forced to expand coverage, they have to raise rates to stay ahead of the upcoming cost they..

Or, insurance companies are not forced to expand coverage, as much as the bill will hand them 30 million new people that have to buy insurance from them and will pay them for it.

There is a provision in the PPACA that insurance companies in the future will have to spend 80% of their income on clients (not profits) so they are simply trying to price gouge as much as they can, now, before they are prohibited from doing it any more.

It's pretty funny, because this bill has been accused, by the left, of being better for the insurance companies than people.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

The Founding Fathers. When they wrote all the good crap they wrote way back when they clearly had no idea what the world would look like today. If they could come back I think they would ask for an eraser.

I think the populace should be allowed all the guns they want, as long as they are muskets.

[trackrat59]

Here's one big problem Obama has not mentioned. There's a major shortage of primary care physicians in this country. As more people gain access to health care the problem will only be compounded.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the populace should be allowed all the guns they want, as long as they are muskets.

Riot you are aptly named.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Here's one big problem Obama has not mentioned. There's a major shortage of primary care physicians in this country. As more people gain access to health care the problem will only be compounded.

That has been mentioned. They will just make more doctors. Med schools have already increased their enrollment. Seats available to be a doctor have always gone in up and down cycles.

When I chose between med school or vet school, all the doctors I knew hated insurance companies. Not practicing medicine, they loved that, but the BS insurance hoops they had to go through, that actively restricted their practice of medicine.

Insurance companies, not doctors, dictate which diagnostic tests and care you get to have for what conditions, etc. - by what they will reimburse for them.

How many new moms have been kicked out of the hospital after 24 hours? And GI surgery patients sent home after 5 days, when 6-7 would have suited them better? Insurance won't pay, off you go. Women with undiagnosed breast cancer, because insurance company would only pay for one mammogram every 5 years. Diabetes undiagnosed because the insurance company wouldn't pay for a blood test annually? Etc.

There are plenty of doctors who have "gone off the grid", and provide basic family practice/internal medicine services without dealing with insurance for the basics (wellness, blood tests, etc) and thus keeping patient costs very low and realistic.

Saying "but we don't have enough doctors" is no reason not to provide healthcare to millions of people. It's easy to make more doctors. You just have to go back and make the profession one of medicine, not subservience to insurance company dictates. One big headache to keeping people from choosing medicine as a career is having to deal with insurance companies. Having to hire multiple people in your office just to deal with the forms, having the insurance company dictate how you practice medicine, what you can do for patients, etc.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Riot you are aptly named.

That is my favorite dog. From the day he was born, he never slept. All the other puppies would nurse and sleep, nurse and sleep - he'd nurse and stay awake, crawling around over them creating a riot. His mother would get out of the whelping box to escape him. As they grew, he lead the chaos and destruction in puppyland. He used to escape the puppy yard constantly, right over the fence. He'd "run riot" on any game he saw - birds, cats, rabbits, balloons in the sky, whatever. He turned out a good kid. But exhausting

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

That is my favorite dog. From the day he was born, he never slept. All the other puppies would nurse and sleep, nurse and sleep - he'd nurse and stay awake, crawling around over them creating a riot. His mother would get out of the whelping box to escape him. As they grew, he lead the chaos and destruction in puppyland. He used to escape the puppy yard constantly, right over the fence. He'd "run riot" on any game he saw - birds, cats, rabbits, balloons in the sky, whatever. He turned out a good kid. But exhausting

No one cares

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

No one cares

Ah, Dahoss and Pants are here!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah, Dahoss and Pants are here!

Any more super interesting stories you could tell? I'm sure people are waiting to hear the second biggest blowhard go on and on about nothing at all.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Any more super interesting stories you could tell? I'm sure people are waiting to hear the second biggest blowhard go on and on about nothing at all.

I bow to your status as Number One

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

I bow to your status as Number One

This shi.t might work with Nascar, but not with me. The sad thing is I actually agree with a lot of your political stances. But you're such an annoying piece of garbage that your entire message gets drowned out by your attitude. Just do everyone a favor and shut up already. Seriously. No one cares about your opinion.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

This shi.t might work with Nascar, but not with me. The sad thing is I actually agree with a lot of your political stances. But you're such an annoying piece of garbage that your entire message gets drowned out by your attitude. Just do everyone a favor and shut up already. Seriously. No one cares about your opinion.

Or, you could just grow a pair and delete or skip posters you don't like. Like the big boys do.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or, you could just grow a pair and delete or skip posters you don't like. Like the big boys do.

Notice you don't dispute what I am saying. You know it's true. I get it. The animals have to listen to you, so you think everyone else wants to.

We don't.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or, insurance companies are not forced to expand coverage, as much as the bill will hand them 30 million new people that have to buy insurance from them and will pay them for it.

There is a provision in the PPACA that insurance companies in the future will have to spend 80% of their income on clients (not profits) so they are simply trying to price gouge as much as they can, now, before they are prohibited from doing it any more.

It's pretty funny, because this bill has been accused, by the left, of being better for the insurance companies than people.

from fact check dot org:

Most of the new law has yet to go into effect — and it won’t until 2014 — but some provisions affecting insurers were instituted this fall. So far, insurers can’t deny coverage to kids because of preexisting conditions, and they must allow dependents to stay on their parents’ insurance until age 26. They also must provide free preventive care and eliminate lifetime and certain annual monetary caps on coverage.


free. lovely word, isn't it? only someone is paying for it.

all too true that most of the increases yearly are due to rising medical costs overall, but it's also true that there is an estimated 4% increase due to the new law.

besides, lifetime caps being removed as well as removing rules regarding pre-existing conditions will cause rising costs to insurance companies, who will pass that on to their customers. does anyone really think that these companies will accept a lower bottom line, that they'll choose to absorb these costs? yeah, right.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Notice you don't dispute what I am saying. You know it's true. I get it. The animals have to listen to you, so you think everyone else wants to.

We don't.

And yet, here you are.

Consider yourself as having peed on the tree, big guy. Coach thinks you're awesome, he got to swear and insult someone he doesn't like, you did too, and the rest of us can just keep laughing at you guys privately. Everyone is happy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the populace should be allowed all the guns they want, as long as they are muskets.

knowing that the founding fathers were fairly intelligent, and witness to some amazing discoveries, i'm sure they knew that the future would not quite resemble the present. including firearms.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all too true that most of the increases yearly are due to rising medical costs overall, but it's also true that there is an estimated 4% increase due to the new law.

besides, lifetime caps being removed as well as removing rules regarding pre-existing conditions will cause rising costs to insurance companies, who will pass that on to their customers. does anyone really think that these companies will accept a lower bottom line, that they'll choose to absorb these costs? yeah, right.

Yeah, I've heard about 4-10%, too. We won't see the entire benefit until everything has been in place for a couple years, which will be 2016 or so.

[Danzig]

i won't hold my breath waiting to see any 'benefits'. i'm one of the people who pays for all the stuff that others hold their hand out for, who think it's their right. matter of fact, i get one day off this week instead of two. i'm such an idiot.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

And yet, here you are.

Consider yourself as having peed on the tree, big guy. Coach thinks you're awesome, he got to swear and insult someone he doesn't like, you did too, and the rest of us can just keep laughing at you guys privately. Everyone is happy.

I love the high road nonsense. You insult with the best of them, but when I bring up valid points I'm being a meanie. The private stuff is pretty funny also.

I guess it's better than them doing it in public, like everyone does with you.