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Old 06-02-2010, 01:41 PM
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Default How many top-flight deep closers …

have even won half their career starts?


Even the Z haters have to admit that this 16-race win streak is remarkable.


1. (tie) Citation, Cigar, Zenyatta


Let the countdown to June 13 commence



If she can separate herself from those two hall-of-famers, we will party at HP 'like it's 1999".
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:03 PM
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It is remarkable, but less so on synthetic where coming from the clouds is far easier...but I agree. It is a feat.
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:30 PM
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Open it up to surfaces other than dirt, and there are quite a few. Either way, it is a remarkable streak.
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:31 PM
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Cigar faced open company. This streak will do nothing but mislead the public as to how good she is.

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Old 06-02-2010, 02:35 PM
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It is remarkable.

But don't get too ahead of yourself. When she "separates" herself from those HOF runners, it will be no more than the separation between numbers.

Seeing 17-16 in a row is not going to make anyone all of the sudden think that she's actually "separated" herself from Cigar in any meaningful way, because she'd need to get herself somewhere close to him first. What he did, where he traveled, and who he beat during his run makes Zenyatta's streak look almost downright pitiful.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:02 PM
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It is remarkable.

But don't get too ahead of yourself. When she "separates" herself from those HOF runners, it will be no more than the separation between numbers.

Seeing 17-16 in a row is not going to make anyone all of the sudden think that she's actually "separated" herself from Cigar in any meaningful way, because she'd need to get herself somewhere close to him first. What he did, where he traveled, and who he beat during his run makes Zenyatta's streak look almost downright pitiful.
Holy Bull broke down, but who exactly was great that Cigar beat?
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have even won half their career starts?


Even the Z haters have to admit that this 16-race win streak is remarkable.


1. (tie) Citation, Cigar, Zenyatta


Let the countdown to June 13 commence



If she can separate herself from those two hall-of-famers, we will party at HP 'like it's 1999".
Will you be wearing your purple leather pants?
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Sorry, I wore mine in 1979!
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Let the countdown to June 13 commence
Yes, the countdown. Because if anything warrants a countdown, it's Zenyatta in her playpen beating the same five plugs she's beaten a dozen times already to get one win closer to Peppers Pride.
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Yes, the countdown. Because if anything warrants a countdown, it's Zenyatta in her playpen beating the same five plugs she's beaten a dozen times already to get one win closer to Peppers Pride.
St Trinians could beat her
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St Trinians could beat her
St Trinians wont be the same horse after losing to Zenyatta.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:57 PM
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St Trinians wont be the same horse after losing to Zenyatta.
Like it ruined Life As Sweet?

If St. Trinians develops problems, it's from her own confirmation and action rather than anything Zenyatta might do to her.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:48 PM
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have even won half their career starts?


Even the Z haters have to admit that this 16-race win streak is remarkable.


1. (tie) Citation, Cigar, Zenyatta


Let the countdown to June 13 commence



If she can separate herself from those two hall-of-famers, we will party at HP 'like it's 1999".

Cigar ? Citation?

Hilarious. You need to report to the stupid box for at least 24 hours for that comparison. Outside of your ridiculous comparison Zenyatta will never be mentioned in the same sentence as those two....and about 50 more.

She will probably be mentioned a few times with Pepper's Pride as a nice horse who won a lot of races vs the same horses....over and over...and over...and over.

The funny part will be when the Moss's and their weak schedule for Zenyatta lose HOY 3 yrs in a row. Quality Road will be geared down and still crush her at CD this fall .
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:01 AM
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Cigar ? Citation?

Hilarious. You need to report to the stupid box for at least 24 hours for that comparison. Outside of your ridiculous comparison Zenyatta will never be mentioned in the same sentence as those two....and about 50 more.

She will probably be mentioned a few times with Pepper's Pride as a nice horse who won a lot of races vs the same horses....over and over...and over...and over.

The funny part will be when the Moss's and their weak schedule for Zenyatta lose HOY 3 yrs in a row. Quality Road will be geared down and still crush her at CD this fall .
Comparing to Cigar and Citation is not nearly as hilarious as your comparing her to Pepper's Pride. I must have missed where Pepper's Pride won the Breeder's Cup Classic.

I was and am a huge Cigar fan. I'm looking at a signed picture of him winning the '95 Woodward over my desk. But he ran during a weak period for older horses. Open company, yes. But pretty weak open company.

I'm also not blind to the over-careful handling of Zenyatta's schedule. But they did announce far in advance that she'd be at the Apple Blossom this year. And she's targeting another run in the Classic. Do I wish they'd chosen a more challenging race for her next outing? Absolutely. But if she stays healthy and keeps that BC Classic date, I can forgive them for the kid gloves treatment.

Personal Ensign is still spoken of with reverence. Yet she never raced against males. At a minimum, Zenyatta will be deservedly remembered as one of the great mares of American racing.


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Old 06-03-2010, 10:22 AM
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Comparing to Cigar and Citation is not nearly as hilarious as your comparing her to Pepper's Pride. I must have missed where Pepper's Pride won the Breeder's Cup Classic.

I was and am a huge Cigar fan. I'm looking at a signed picture of him winning the '95 Woodward over my desk. But he ran during a weak period for older horses. Open company, yes. But pretty weak open company.

I'm also not blind to the over-careful handling of Zenyatta's schedule. But they did announce far in advance that she'd be at the Apple Blossom this year. And she's targeting another run in the Classic. Do I wish they'd chosen a more challenging race for her next outing? Absolutely. But if she stays healthy and keeps that BC Classic date, I can forgive them for the kid gloves treatment.

Personal Ensign is still spoken of with reverence. Yet she never raced against males. At a minimum, Zenyatta will be deservedly remembered as one of the great mares of American racing.


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She won the Whitney against males. and she beat up on MUCH better horses, male or female.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:28 AM
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She won the Whitney against males. and she beat up on MUCH better horses, male or female.
Gulch (out of his depth at 1 1/8) and King's Swan. She didn't exactly face Alysheba and that crew.

The females she defeated were top shelf.
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Gulch (out of his depth at 1 1/8) and King's Swan. She didn't exactly face Alysheba and that crew.

The females she defeated were top shelf.
true, but who exactly did Zenyatta face last year in the BC that would be better than the Whitney crew?

The females PE faces were in a different league than what Z or RA for that matter has faced. Winning Colors is better than all the horses Z and RA have beaten.
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Gulch (out of his depth at 1 1/8) and King's Swan. She didn't exactly face Alysheba and that crew.

The females she defeated were top shelf.

Gulch was out of his depth at 1 1/8 miles? He did beat Gone West in the Wood.


And, please, a little respect for the mighty Swan.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:14 PM
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She won the Whitney against males. and she beat up on MUCH better horses, male or female.

I should have checked my apparently poor memory. I'm sorry about the mistake.

Many here are assuming Quality Road will demolish Zenyatta if they both make it to the BC. Yet there's been no discussion from the Zenyatta camp about maybe running in the Distaff. They've been unusually direct that their only goal is the Classic.

I doubt Personal Ensign's connections even considered running her in the Classic that year, not against that level of horse. They picked the weaker race* to keep her undefeated streak alive.

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* yes, both Winning Colors and Goodbye Halo were very nice fillies. But Winning Colors had just finished 4th of 5 in the Spinster in her previous race, and she won just 2 of 7 thereafter.

I'm certainly not knocking Personal Ensign. I consider myself lucky to have been at that BC. But to call Personal Ensign "great" while dismissing what Zenyatta has achieved doesn't make sense to me.
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I should have checked my apparently poor memory. I'm sorry about the mistake.

Many here are assuming Quality Road will demolish Zenyatta if they both make it to the BC. Yet there's been no discussion from the Zenyatta camp about maybe running in the Distaff. They've been unusually direct that their only goal is the Classic.

I doubt Personal Ensign's connections even considered running her in the Classic that year, not against that level of horse. They picked the weaker race* to keep her undefeated streak alive.

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* yes, both Winning Colors and Goodbye Halo were very nice fillies. But Winning Colors had just finished 4th of 5 in the Spinster in her previous race, and she won just 2 of 7 thereafter.

I'm certainly not knocking Personal Ensign. I consider myself lucky to have been at that BC. But to call Personal Ensign "great" while dismissing what Zenyatta has achieved doesn't make sense to me.
I'm sure the Zenyatta camp realizes it is about 50% Quality Road will even be in the BC, there is still a long way to go and the horse has stallion value so will be retired if anything goes wrong.
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