selling picks

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #1 06-04-2006, 10:47 PM

well some may agree or disagree but i have ZERO respect for people who sell picks and none also for the people who buy them. if you are good enough to make a profit over a long haul then you do not need to sell picks, bottom line!.... and well if you are doing it"out of the good of your heart" then well you wouldnt charge any1 anything. im a pretty proficient handicapper myself and ive given out alotta winners to friends and people at the track as well as winners on this board and ive never asked, expected, or taken a dime from any1 whos made money off my picks. again some may agree or disagree just the way i feel

jpops757 · #2 06-05-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

well some may agree or disagree but i have ZERO respect for people who sell picks and none also for the people who buy them. if you are good enough to make a profit over a long haul then you do not need to sell picks, bottom line!.... and well if you are doing it"out of the good of your heart" then well you wouldnt charge any1 anything. im a pretty proficient handicapper myself and ive given out alotta winners to friends and people at the track as well as winners on this board and ive never asked, expected, or taken a dime from any1 whos made money off my picks. again some may agree or disagree just the way i feel

I have a similar opinion. Idont frequent this boad to get tickets to build my bets. I like to get info, not necessarly picks. Everyone need to make a living and if selling picks is there cup of tea more power to them. Im sure there are suckers out there that will pay for them. It appears that some are attempting to use this board for advertising of a product that they are attempting to sell. This board is begining to look more like roller derby or pro rasslin. I will continue to observe and make an occosional post. I am a horseracing fan and I dont have to cash tickets to keep being a fan. My ability to cash a ticket is a reward for me but not a necesity. There is a lot of knowledge here and if some feel we need to pay them for it so be it.

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #3 06-05-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

I have a similar opinion. Idont frequent this boad to get tickets to build my bets. I like to get info, not necessarly picks. Everyone need to make a living and if selling picks is there cup of tea more power to them. Im sure there are suckers out there that will pay for them. It appears that some are attempting to use this board for advertising of a product that they are attempting to sell. This board is begining to look more like roller derby or pro rasslin. I will continue to observe and make an occosional post. I am a horseracing fan and I dont have to cash tickets to keep being a fan. My ability to cash a ticket is a reward for me but not a necesity. There is a lot of knowledge here and if some feel we need to pay them for it so be it.

well i still dont condone selling picks under any circumstances, and i also dont feel sorry whatsoever to somebody whos idiotic enough to pay for picks and then cries when they lose their money

GPK · #4 06-05-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

well i still dont condone selling picks under any circumstances, and i also dont feel sorry whatsoever to somebody whos idiotic enough to pay for picks and then cries when they lose their money

John!!!!! Even the Terror of Tampa Bay!!!!! You wouldn't buy his touts???? He is unreal at giving out winners there

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #5 06-05-2006, 03:20 PM

lol no and speaking of tampa thats why me and MRBSAYS who passed away came to differences towards the end of his life..becuase he sold picks! kev i gave you gambler's prize over a week in advance this past january at turfway. he paid 26 bucks and i think you said you didnt get to bet the horse but had you did i wouldnta wanted a dime from you

GPK · #6 06-05-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

lol no and speaking of tampa thats why me and MRBSAYS who passed away came to differences towards the end of his life..becuase he sold picks! kev i gave you gambler's prize over a week in advance this past january at turfway. he paid 26 bucks and i think you said you didnt get to bet the horse but had you did i wouldnta wanted a dime from you

Johnny...you know I would NEVER ever consider sellings my picks. My handicapping isn't good enough for one reason. Another, that ain't my style. You know me better.

westcoastinvader · #7 06-05-2006, 03:57 AM

Cripes, people have been selling hard copy picks "real time" at the tracks for years.

Decades.

I personally never like to "tout," cause I never want anyone to lose money on my advice in case I am wrong. I'd be happy to share in advance, if I knew it was a "lock."

Of course, it's never a "lock."

I do like to hear and read what others predict, though.

I did realize a long long time ago that the TV prognosticators are right less often than I am. The newspaper guys, too.

But, I still like hear and read them.

Skip away · #8 06-05-2006, 03:48 PM

I agree totally disapperaingdan. People who sell tips need to reinvent themselves and find a real career. They must be real hard up. Imagine paying for information only to lose, when you could have just lost on your own thoughts? Kind of silly if you ask me.

Downthestretch55 · #9 06-05-2006, 03:58 PM

LMFAO!!!!!!
There's a line of guys outside the main gate at Toga every day!
They sell them cheap. I'm not kidding!
If that's the niche you get out of it, fine with me....join the line.
Many times, their capping is much worse than mine. More LOL!

I'd just rather pick my own.
At least I'm going with someone I can trust...and it's more of a thrill.
I don't need "beer money" that badly.

To each his own...use "expertise" to help yourself, or join the line of whores outside the gate that don't even bet their picks. LOL!

DTS

Skip away · #10 06-05-2006, 04:09 PM

Isnt that the whole point of following this crazy game? Why would you pay somebody else to have the fun part, which is picking the horses?

If you wanted to make money, theres this thing called getting a job. Theres also this thing called the stock market, which is a lot better to make money in the long run than trying to guess on horses.

These guys selling their picks are basically guessing.

Cajungator26 · #11 06-05-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip away

Isnt that the whole point of following this crazy game? Why would you pay somebody else to have the fun part, which is picking the horses?

If you wanted to make money, theres this thing called getting a job. Theres also this thing called the stock market, which is a lot better to make money in the long run than trying to guess on horses.

These guys selling their picks are basically guessing.

The stock market is a guessing game too... UNLESS you know a good advisor.

Seattleallstar · #12 06-05-2006, 04:10 PM

that would be me caj

#13 06-06-2006, 07:06 AM

Playa and all,
Tip sheets have never been worth the paper that they are printed on. Several reasons why. First of all in order to market these sheets you have to print them or get them online the day before the actual races that are being played, this is why they are no good. The day before the races you have no idea what track conditions will be, can't think of anything more important than that. Secondly, late scratches are an absolute necessity when putting forth proper analysis. Late scratches can affect pace scenarios, rendering your initial analysis futile. For example, you handicap a race and expect a three horse speed duel which will set it up for a closer, one of the three horses scratches, now you conclude that the duel might not be as hot, and that the two speeds will go around the track together.

The information that is worth paying for is clocker info an trip notes and bias notes. Many who are "weekend warriors" do not get to see wekday races or simply don't have the time or memory to keep track of biases and trips at a lot of tracks. How much is it worth to pull up information about how a track was playing on a given day? Dead rails, speed biased good rails, bad trips that don't get the comment lines in the DRF charts that they deserve, etc.
Lets take a horse like Joint Effort this past saturday, the knowledge that her last number was accomplished on a dead rail was enough to push some folks oveer the top and bet her big. WIthout that knowledge it may have been a coin toss in a lot of folks minds between her and Pletcher's horse.
Its the subtleties that aren't in the DRF that make a difference these days in playing. Most people don't have the time or put in the effort to keep such notes, and truly benefit from that type of data and information, not from selectiosn made on tip sheet 36 hours before the race.

tap · #14 06-06-2006, 10:51 AM

Great post oracle, and 100% accurate.

tap · #15 06-06-2006, 11:25 AM

When I am putting horses up on this board that I am going to play I am sweating bullets to get them posted in time. the reason for this is I am trying to squeeze every drop of info that I can. Waiting for the inevitable added scratch after scratches have been put up. Monitoring the weather to try and predict if a rogue thunderstorm is going to come through and drop a 1/2 of rain on the turf course at 2:30 in the afternoon etc. etc. And in spite of our best efforts, odds, circumstances, and fate will change as soon as the gate is sprung.

#16 06-06-2006, 11:44 AM

thats right tap, me too. In addition, just posting who you like doesnt exactly get you in the analysis hall of fame.
Its the info you provide and reasons that you like or dislike ceratin horses that is really valuable. It may trigger an "oh yeah!!! that rail was dead!!!" response in someone who was between two horses.
I'm not gonna be posting any more analysis or selections though. Has lead to too many arguments. Its just too hard to put that kind of effort into doing something and using info from trainers and clockers as well, to get nothing back but grief.

Skip away · #17 06-06-2006, 03:04 PM

#18 06-06-2006, 01:07 PM

I agree Moni, tip sheets are junk and worthless.

tap · #19 06-06-2006, 02:36 PM

Oracle, I certainly understand why you feel the way you do with regard to not posting selections and or analysis anymore, but I would say to you to also consider the positives when weighing your decision. Think about the satisfaction you have knowing you helped someone score on a horse, or watching your analysis of the race unfold just as you predicted. Think about the thank you posts that you get on this board or elsewhere from people who are genuinely appreciative.

On the subject of analysis it is a dual edged sword for me. For years we have had the writers and cappers (drf, Computer Cappers, tip sheets) who have specialized in the one line analogy, i.e. gets top jock today, trainer is deadly second off the claim, should have favorable pace scenario today, etc. All valid factors and legitimate analysis of a horse's attributes in a race. Then we have some cappers, (many on this board) who give thoughtful, extensive and extroadinary analysis that would be worthy of a book IMO. But what happens when you have that late scratch that changes the pace scenario? or the race comes off the grass late? Most people who do not follow racing will not understand these changing factors and if you try to explain to them what happened after the race it will appear to them as if you are making excuses.

As you pointed out in your earlier post how do you give worthy analysis of a race with out waiting long enough to consider any late developing factors? And if you wait long enough how do you get it posted in time? I admire the people that can, but for me it is a time constraint thing. I simply do not have enough time to give the analysis I would like and would not want to just come up with something half hearted so to speak. Anyway I hope you reconsider your decision not to put up selections or analysis as many here really enjoy them.

#20 06-06-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tap

Oracle, I certainly understand why you feel the way you do with regard to not posting selections and or analysis anymore, but I would say to you to also consider the positives when weighing your decision. Think about the satisfaction you have knowing you helped someone score on a horse, or watching your analysis of the race unfold just as you predicted. Think about the thank you posts that you get on this board or elsewhere from people who are genuinely appreciative.

On the subject of analysis it is a dual edged sword for me. For years we have had the writers and cappers (drf, Computer Cappers, tip sheets) who have specialized in the one line analogy, i.e. gets top jock today, trainer is deadly second off the claim, should have favorable pace scenario today, etc. All valid factors and legitimate analysis of a horse's attributes in a race. Then we have some cappers, (many on this board) who give thoughtful, extensive and extroadinary analysis that would be worthy of a book IMO. But what happens when you have that late scratch that changes the pace scenario? or the race comes off the grass late? Most people who do not follow racing will not understand these changing factors and if you try to explain to them what happened after the race it will appear to them as if you are making excuses.

As you pointed out in your earlier thread how do you give worthy analysis of a race with out waiting long enough to consider any late developing factors? And if you wait long enough how do you get it posted in time? I admire the people that can, but for me it is a time constraint thing. I simply do not have enough time to give the analysis I would like and would not want to just come up with something half hearted so to speak. Anyway I hope you reconsider your decision not to put up selections or analysis as many here really enjoy them.

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