5/23-24 (HOL): Milady (G2); Laz Barrera (G3); Shoemaker Mile (G1) - Page 3

Sightseek · #41 05-24-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

The best miler in Cal (maybe the country) just ran today. What the hell is he afraid of? that joker Whatsthescript?

That certainly was a fine performance and a new course record!

SCUDSBROTHER · #42 05-24-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Wasn't multiple stakes winner Backbackbackgone lapped on to him for at least the first 1/2 mile?

BACK BACK broke best. Led for about half a furlong. Charlie's Moment then runs by him. Backback couldn't match him going 22.56, and 45.10. Bejarano is all over BACK BACK EARLY ON THE TURN, BUT CAN'T EVEN GO IN 45.10..Show me where those 2 ever go head n' head in that race. They don't, and they went slow. It was like a race on Pro Ride. Canonize may have wanted a quicker pace to run into. Who knows. Ellis horses are crap in stakes right now. Hard to say. Lot of horses not runing well on this main right now. You have to notice when a horse like BACKBACK runs huge in the Henson, and then can't go in 45.10 today....Carryover....To me, that Barrera Stakes looked like one animal handled the track. The 2nd place horse tolerated it. The others hated it. I see a big difference between this track right now, and the track the first couple weeks of the meet. Look at the 6th race. The winner is totally exhausted, but nobody else is handling the track either.

the_fat_man · #43 05-24-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

No, perhaps it's just a Frankel thing.

I wouldn't run her either. Gomez has screwed up 2 G1's in a row with her. In other words, he BLEW 2 ****in G1 races in a row with her. How the **** do you make up for something like that? This is akin to a bad (luck) streak gambling. When **** like this goes down I take a break to regroup.

blackthroatedwind · #44 05-24-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Ventura will be a scratch.

I would assume because he planned all along to try to repeat in the Just a Game on Belmont day.

the_fat_man · #45 05-24-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would assume because he planned all along to try to repeat in the Just a Game on Belmont day.

Going back to the place of one of her perfect trips. Good idea. Is BEL guaranteeing an inside post?

blackthroatedwind · #46 05-24-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Going back to the place of one of her perfect trips. Good idea. Is BEL guaranteeing an inside post?

Being that she is already stabled at Belmont the only surprising thing is that he even entered her at Hollywood.

RolloTomasi · #47 05-24-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

BACK BACK broke best. Led for about half a furlong. Charlie's Moment then runs by him. Backback couldn't match him going 22.56, and 45.10. Bejarano is all over BACK BACK EARLY ON THE TURN, BUT CAN'T EVEN GO IN 45.10..Show me where those 2 ever go head n' head in that race. They don't, and they went slow. It was like a race on Pro Ride. Canonize may have wanted a quicker pace to run into. Who knows. Ellis horses are crap in stakes right now. Hard to say. Lot of horses not runing well on this main right now. You have to notice when a horse like BACKBACK runs huge in the Henson, and then can't go in 45.10 today....

An essentially :45 flat 1/2 mile fraction for a 7f race?

As far as Backbackbackgone is concerned, he has never been on the lead in a main track race with a 1/4 mile equal to or faster than the one he saw today. Nonetheless, he stayed within a 1/2 length of the winner down the backside and even made a bid at him before the far turn. He's never looked like a horse that wants anything to do with 7f (or other quality speed for that matter), my guess is that Pete Miller had no other options than to run here aside from tackling his elders.

SCUDSBROTHER · #48 05-24-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

An essentially :45 flat 1/2 mile fraction for a 7f race?

As far as Backbackbackgone is concerned, he has never been on the lead in a main track race with a 1/4 mile equal to or faster than the one he saw today. Nonetheless, he stayed within a 1/2 length of the winner down the backside and even made a bid at him before the far turn. He's never looked like a horse that wants anything to do with 7f (or other quality speed for that matter), my guess is that Pete Miller had no other options than to run here aside from tackling his elders.

Ain't playing that track until more than 1 or 2 horses a race look like they can handle the track. This is the problem with synthetic tracks out here. It's not a front or back bias. It's not a outside/inside bias. It's a case of horses not being able to handle the surface. I don't know why Zensational scratched. Maybe they brought him across town, and he said "no" to that track. From the start of this meet until about say 2 weeks ago, this track was just fine. I remember myself n' Philski saying it was like the old HWD dirt course. I don't know what they did, but it's looking more n' more like the inconsistent Pro-Ride across town. The type of horses who start winning are the very average(but consistent) horses that can handle a track that the majority don't handle. That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who couldhandle a track that the others couldn't handle.

SCUDSBROTHER · #49 05-24-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

An essentially :45 flat 1/2 mile fraction for a 7f race?

As far as Backbackbackgone is concerned, he has never been on the lead in a main track race with a 1/4 mile equal to or faster than the one he saw today. Nonetheless, he stayed within a 1/2 length of the winner down the backside and even made a bid at him before the far turn. He's never looked like a horse that wants anything to do with 7f (or other quality speed for that matter), my guess is that Pete Miller had no other options than to run here aside from tackling his elders.

Ain't playing that track until more than 1 or 2 horses a race look like they can handle the track. This is the problem with synthetic tracks out here. It's not a front or back bias. It's not a outside/inside bias. It's a case of horses not being able to handle the surface. I don't know why Zensational scratched. Maybe they brought him across town, and he said "no" to that track. From the start of this meet until about say 2 weeks ago, this track was just fine. I remember myself n' Philski saying it was like the old HWD dirt course. I don't know what they did, but it's looking more n' more like the inconsistent Pro-Ride across town. The type of horses who start winning are the very average(but consistent) horses that can handle a track that the majority don't handle. That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who could handle a track that the others couldn't handle. Indian Charlie makes weeds. Some flowers, but a lot of very tough weeds.

the_fat_man · #50 05-24-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Ain't playing that track until more than 1 or 2 horses a race look like they can handle the track. This is the problem with synthetic tracks out here. It's not a front or back bias. It's not a outside/inside bias. It's a case of horses not being able to handle the surface. I don't know why Zensational scratched. Maybe they brought him across town, and he said "no" to that track. From the start of this meet until about say 2 weeks ago, this track was just fine. I remember myself n' Philski saying it was like the old HWD dirt course. I don't know what they did, but it's looking more n' more like the inconsistent Pro-Ride across town. The type of horses who start winning are the very average(but consistent) horses that can handle a track that the majority don't handle. That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who could handle a track that the others couldn't handle. Indian Charlie makes weeds. Some flowers, but a lot of very tough weeds.

I don't buy this. It's always something with you: someone is juicing, someone is pulling, etc. This track is fine. They should all play this consistently --- and by this I mean fairly. You want something to really bitch about, as in a VERY DIFFICULT track to beat? Try Woodbine.

RolloTomasi · #51 05-24-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who could handle a track that the others couldn't handle.

Anyone want to guess which horse in the Laz Barrera had the 2nd most lifetime earnings, was one of only two horses with multiple stakes victories on its resume, the only one to have won a route stakes, the only one to have defeated a Grade 1 winner (Norfolk winner Street Hero), and also owned the fastest Beyer number (in a sprint no less) in the field?

Yep, you guessed it...the only one who could handle the track (so long as you turn a blind eye to his previous 0 for 3 record over the course).

blackthroatedwind · #52 05-24-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Anyone want to guess which horse in the Laz Barrera had the 2nd most lifetime earnings, was one of only two horses with multiple stakes victories on its resume, the only one to have won a route stakes, the only one to have defeated a Grade 1 winner (Norfolk winner Street Hero), and also owned the fastest Beyer number (in a sprint no less) in the field?

Yep, you guessed it...the only one who could handle the track (so long as you turn a blind eye to his previous 0 for 3 record over the course).

Can I take a stab at it?

SCUDSBROTHER · #53 05-24-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't buy this.

So stunning. Last time you agreed with anybody was in a buffet line.

RolloTomasi · #54 05-24-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Can I take a stab at it?

Only if you're Scuds other brother.

#55 05-24-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't buy this. It's always something with you: someone is juicing, someone is pulling, etc. This track is fine. They should all play this consistently --- and by this I mean fairly. You want something to really bitch about, as in a VERY DIFFICULT track to beat? Try Woodbine.

Its always something with him?
From the guy who thinks horse's
have handles and pedals.

Sheeezus...

SCUDSBROTHER · #56 05-24-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Can I take a stab at it?

This is synthetic. You're above that.

#57 05-24-2009, 09:28 PM

Im glad the East is making big money
off Hollywood. There have been some
very, very good prices.

Especially in the lesser races.
Congrats to all.

blackthroatedwind · #58 05-24-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is synthetic. You're above that.

Actually Hollywood is the only synthetic track I play with any regularity as it is the most formful.

SCUDSBROTHER · #59 05-24-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually Hollywood is the only synthetic track I play with any regularity as it is the most formful.

It was until a couple weeks ago. The first month of the meet was great.

LARHAGE · #60 05-24-2009, 09:56 PM

Per TVG Ventura bruised a hoof, and for Zensational, Baffert is contemplating the Woody Stevens.