Best 3 yr old in the country

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

tiznow.

ever heard of him?

exactly who i was thinking of when i said a horse didn't have to win a tc race to win the eclipse.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

The Brokeback Mountain guys never knew what they had...Wooley was 1-32 coming into the derby. It would be like Calzone Sciacca winning the BC Classic.

surely they must have known something , they were with the horse in the am's and he must have shown them something - i find it hard to believe they didn't have any inkling that the horse could run , did they know he was this good maybe not , but , they must have know he could run

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Fast forward to 1:10 into the interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqvPm3WWYg8


The trainer said he wanted him back at the front of the second flight of horses.

Sounded more like he wanted him about 11th or 12th early.

I assume Borel just wanted to take him back far enough to where he knew he'd have the rail the whole race.

He remains the only jockey in history who i've ever seen get to the rail in less than a 1/16th of a mile while starting from post position 16. He achieved that with Denis Of Cork in last year's Derby.

i knew they said he would be back early, but not that far back-borel said the break made him take so far back early. it worked...funny how racing luck finally showed this guy wooley what the horse needed to do in a race.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

surely they must have known something , they were with the horse in the am's and he must have shown them something - i find it hard to believe they didn't have any inkling that the horse could run , did they know he was this good maybe not , but , they must have know he could run

i think they thought 'what the hell, he can enter-let's do it'.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He remains the only jockey in history who i've ever seen get to the rail in less than a 1/16th of a mile while starting from post position 16. He achieved that with Denis Of Cork in last year's Derby.

To the detriment of the horse.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i would also add that MTB at this point is not a "fluke" - before RA was going to go to the preakness i said why not MTB , he can pair up and win again against this crop - yet the skeptics here claimed is was an abnormality

nbc also said on sat that he ran the fastest last qtr in the derby since Secretariat so this horse has to be a tremendous animal no matter what the beyers or rags say

yes I will go on the record giving by giving you props for keeping with MTB (although the 400 posts on it were enough to get your point across )when EVERYONE said he was a one and done.

I hope you cashed out on your opinion also.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yes I will go on the record giving by giving you props for keeping with MTB (although the 400 posts on it were enough to get your point across )when EVERYONE said he was a one and done.

I hope you cashed out on your opinion also.

lori - the 1 thing i learned is if you missed the wedding , don't go to the funeral

i went shopping for a price in baltimore with musket man , if the filly didn't fire i would have had a nice day

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

lori - the 1 thing i learned is if you missed the wedding , don't go to the funeral

i went shopping for a price in baltimore with musket man , if the filly didn't fire i would have had a nice day

musket man was great value IMO... I was a little upset that I wasnt at the OTB when the odds were being shown.... well exotic value because I really thought Rachel was going to win.

That was an easily playable trifecta IMO and it paid decent.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yes I will go on the record giving by giving you props for keeping with MTB (although the 400 posts on it were enough to get your point across )when EVERYONE said he was a one and done.

I hope you cashed out on your opinion also.

Everyone? I never said he was a one hit wonder, infact I made a case his win was legitmate even if he didn't get the now over emphasized rail run.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So you wanted credit for an opinion, yet you didn't believe enough in the opinion to bet on it? How does that work?

i used MM on top and bottom in ex's with a number of other horses - i was hoping the filly didn't fire or got in a speed duel

Jay if i bet MTB to win my opininon would still have been wrong anyway as i wouldn't have cashed either

what i talked to lori about in our late night conversations was more of the fact that the horse was getting no respect and if he paired up he could win or be right there , certainly i was not one of the poeple on here or on the other racing board i frequent who thought he was a one hit wonder

tell me sir how i should have bet to validate my opinion? the MM/MTB exacta either way was a much much better payoff then just a MTB win bet no?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

Everyone? I never said he was a one hit wonder, infact I made a case his win was legitmate even if he didn't get the now over emphasized rail run.

ok, 99%... not everyone

actually I'll go down to 97% and give people the benefit of the doubt.


Personally... I wasnt going to write him off until I saw some more races so I was neither right or wrong!

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i used MM on top and bottom in ex's with a number of other horses - i was hoping the filly didn't fire or got in a speed duel

Jay if i bet MTB to win my opininon would still have been wrong anyway as i wouldn't have cashed either

what i talked to lori about in our late night conversations was more of the fact that the horse was getting no respect and if he paired up he could win or be right there , certainly i was not one of the poeple on here or on the other racing board i frequent who thought he was a one hit wonder

tell me sir how i should have bet to validate my opinion? the MM/MTB exacta either way was a much much better payoff then just a MTB win bet no?

Mine That Bird was a one hit wonder, that is until he validated his Derby Race last week. You either went with him in the Preakness on the premise that he was improving, and the Derby was for real, or you against him wanting him to prove to you that the Derby wasn't a fluke based off the trip, ride, and wet track. So technically until we saw a race that didn't setup perfectly for Mine That Bird, yes he was a one hit wonder. That happened in the Preakness, and he still ran a very good race, so now, he sheds the one hit wonder label. I wasn't going to bet him on Saturday because I wanted him to prove to me that the Derby wasn't a fluke that was based solely on circumstance. He proved me wrong, and that's fine. I was wrong and I can live with that.

[gales0678]

[quote=DaHoss9698]You know what I'm saying. In this game we get paid for our correct opinions. You were right, MTB ran well right back. But, you still didn't cash, which is the point of all of this right? We don't get paid for internet opinions do we?[/QUOTE]


1)that is correct , everything else is just noise

2)yes and no - cashing would have been nice and from a gambler's perspective is the bottom line , my conversations with lori were more directed from a fan perspective of how the horse was getting "dissed" and i thiught he would run back and pair up

3)no we don't

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

ok, 99%... not everyone

actually I'll go down to 97% and give people the benefit of the doubt.


Personally... I wasnt going to write him off until I saw some more races so I was neither right or wrong!

Just to be completely accurate right after the race I may have joked he might not win another race, but late Saturday night it started sinking in when you truly analyze his performance.