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02-25-2009, 03:37 PM
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02-25-2009, 03:44 PM
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Silverbulletday was more exhusted when she won the race by 9 with her 115 Beyer ... thankfully her class carried her through.
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02-25-2009, 03:50 PM
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02-25-2009, 04:00 PM
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Must have been the Hempstead then... she was awful in there and obviously no longer the same horse.
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02-25-2009, 04:03 PM
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02-25-2009, 04:17 PM
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The same 96 Beyer that Silverbulletday got in the Belmont where she set a strong pace while head and head with the Derby and Preakness winner. ... ah, the Belmont, always an easy race for a heavily raced 3yo filly to bounce right back from.
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02-25-2009, 04:24 PM
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The fact is that SBD had more time between her race in the (shorter, easier) Monmouth Oaks and the Alabama than Sky Beauty did between the (longer, tougher) CCA Oaks and her Alabama.
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02-25-2009, 04:24 PM
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When you have to have this much debate on whether or not a horse should be in, should that horse really be in? Shouldn't the hall of famer be for the very best of the best, not just the really good in comparison to's?
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02-25-2009, 04:36 PM
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You really need to see a speed figure to see that going head-to-head with Charismatic through wicked fractions in a 12 furlong race like the Belmont is a taxing thing for a 3yo filly? Quote:
Sorry but everything in racing cannot be reduced to lame excuses that horseman use to explain away subpar performance ... though I can assure you that Allen Jerkens never would say that 5 weeks wasn't enough time between races. How laughably stupid.
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02-25-2009, 04:55 PM
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The "laughably stupid" comment in this thread was your statement that SBD was "more exhausted" in the Alabama because she had run more times over more race tracks. No reasonable person in attendance at Saratoga for either filly's Alabama (and I was there both days) would have said that Silverbulletday was more exhausted in the Alabama. Later that fall, SBD probably was exhausted, as evidenced by her dismal performance behind Beautiful Pleasure in the BC Distaff, but not at Saratoga.
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02-25-2009, 04:57 PM
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Baffert himself is certainly HOF worthy imo. I wasn't always such a fan but the last two years did it for me, especially getting back to back big years from both Indian Blessing and Midnite Lute, on top of all his prior successes of course.
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02-25-2009, 05:28 PM
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No kidding Silverbulletday wasn't exhausted when she won the Alabama by 9 lengths with a 115 Beyer. Actually - I'm thinking it's more like Pedigree Ann Ice instead of Pedigree Ann Light ... she is the master of the silly spin and even she wouldn't argue that five weeks wasn't enough time between starts. I never said Sky Beauty isn't Hall of Fame material either. However, your painfully silly explanation as to why she performed so poorly in the Alabama deserves it's own wing next to old PG 1985 quotes in the DT Hall of fame.
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02-25-2009, 05:32 PM
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Am I the only one that just went looking for the DT Hall of Fame? PG 1985 was clearly exhausted when DaHoss whooped him in the great handicapping contest.
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02-25-2009, 05:36 PM
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Yeah, if only he had more than five weeks to prepare for Hossy.
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02-25-2009, 06:15 PM
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The issue that I have with the Hall of Fame is that it pits Open Mind, Sky Beauty and Silverbulletday against each other when they all are clearly Hall of famers regardless of what King says.
Why not put the horses and people on the ballots and vote on them. In or out. We dont need a jockey category to know that Alex Solis is a jockey. The current system allows a candidate to be compared to other candidates instead of the standard that is set by the current members ALREADY IN the Hall of Fame. And unlike other sports, a horses career is much shorter, even in the glory days where they raced more than 2 years. Add to the fact that there are both male and female horses in many different categories (turf, dirt, sprint, etc) and there are approximately 35k born a year makes it stupid to vote the same amount of people and horses in any given year.
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02-25-2009, 06:31 PM
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Let's just make it a hall of good horses then. Forget making it the elite of the elite. Put Open Mind and Sky Beauty in the same sentence with Personal Ensign and Lady's Secret. Put Best Pal in the same hall with Spectacular Bid. There's virtually no difference.
The thing that your aren't getting is that they aren't all CLEARLY hall of famers. If they were, nobody on here would be debating it. If Spectacular Bid is on a ballot, do you really think anyone would say "no"? Would we really have to break out his past performances and go over his record? Would anyone need to make a convincing argument on his behalf? That's the point I'm making. You may clearly believe that all three of those mares deserve to be in. That's fine because it's all subjective anyway. But if you can't get 90% of the people to agree on it with you, then I just don't believe they should be in there.
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02-25-2009, 06:38 PM
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So.....
basically they are doing this every year just for the sake of having a ceremony?? Won't they eventually run out of horses to put in the Hall of Fame if they do this every single year??
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Those horses are all clearly hall of famers based upon the current standards. If you dont like the standards that is your problem. But to look at these horses records and say they dont deserve to be in basically means that after 2000 no other filly will ever get in because name a filly that has a record near theirs. Using your example if Curlin was on the ballot versus Spectacular Bid he would have no chance to get voted in. Yet he clearly belongs based upon his accomplishments but when compared to perhaps the best horse in 30 years he has no chance. It would be like saying that John Stockton shouldnt be in the hall of Fame because he isnt as good as Micheal Jordan.
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