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![]() i read the article, but have yet to read any of the replies...perhaps beyers intent was to say that maybe we have to give benefit of the doubt unless/until we know otherwise? i thought it was hilarious when dutrow cried foul over that article a few weeks back. the self-righteous anger, the 'how dare beyer' bit....how many positives does dutrow have? horns holding up that halo for sure.
but like beyer said in this article, wolfson has never had an overage. so i guess until he does, all you can do is wonder. a lot.
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http://theglobalexpress.blogspot.com...-baseball.html I suspect we may hear more in the future. |
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Averaged in his first 7 seasons with 100+ games: .257 with 27.8 HRs and 86.3 RBIs Averaged in his next 4 seasons: .310 with 60.8 HRs, and 149.3 RBIs |
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Maybe a better comparison is to Mike Krzyzewski or Bobby Knight. Both coached at Army early on and both had winning records there. Mike Krzyzewski was about 55% at Army. Knight was 59%. Krzyzewski moved on to Duke where he's more like 77%. Knight went to Indiana University where he won around 73%. They won at Army where they attracted the attention of bigger programs -- with more money and recruiting power. Plus, it's probably safe to assume that, like anything else, the more time you put in the more you learn about the process. Sure, we shouldn't be naive and not at least question some of the numbers the so-called "super-trainers" put up -- but by the same token, we should also question our suspicions and be fair about painting with a broad brush. I don't have year-by-year Wolfson stats in front of me in order to address the turnaround asserted by Indomitable -- but certainly Wolfson didn't just appear on the scene a couple of years back to make an impression. He's been around and training at a high-level for quite some time. For instance, Chaposa Springs was a prolific stakes winner (including a couple of G1s) for Wolfson in the mid-90s. |
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Winning at 55% or 59% at ARMY is like winning at 90% at Duke!!! It's the most impossible program to coach in Division I Basketball!
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From a decade long span between 1996 through 2005 - Wolfson has year in and year out been very consistant. His win % was between 15-to-23% - and his yearly ROI had never once risen as high as $1.80 in any of those 10 years. Basically, the guy was just your solid 20% trainer who placed horses in spots they could win - but who's horses typically were overbet. From '96 to '05 he was 374-for-1,869 (20% wins) $1.54 ROI. Now, the same consistant guy who shows a 23% loss on the betting dollar over an entire decade - and never once raises his ROI as high as $1.80 for 10 straight years does the following.... 2006: 44-for-168 (26% wins) $2.89 ROI 2007: 52-for-191 (27% wins) $2.15 ROI 2008: 62-for-204 (30% wins) $1.98 ROI 2009: 4-for-23 (17% wins) $2.69 ROI From '06 to '09 he is 162-for-586 (27% wins) $2.32 ROI A solid seven percent spike in win percentage and an otherwordly $0.78 spike in ROI!! You ought not be a genius to see that something happened precisely between 2005 and 2006 that shifted Marty Wolfson from a solid dependable trainer into an absolute super trainer who's stable yields huge win percentages and spectacular profits from a betting standpoint. He's obviously one of the trainers out there who has a real edge right now. Is it something illegal? Who knows. Is it something detectable? .. who knows. It would be extremely irresponsible to pretend that he doesn't. |
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![]() It was really hilarious to see Sosa deflate in a matter of 3 months when everything went down. |
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These guys didn't magically become "super-coaches" by "juicing" their players -- they were good coaches before but their circumstances changed. They moved on to schools with money and recruiting power. (But, if you prefer -- you can use Rick Pitino at Boston University, a school that has won their conference a number of times. Pitino was 64% at BU, and a couple of years later moved to Kentucky where he won 81%) |
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drugs it might be very simple , isn't he geting better horses now? i'm sure if you did a stat check on d wayne he would probably show great stats in the mid 90's and then a big fall off during the last 5 yrs - becuase the good horses got taken away from him |
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And if you're new to the Florida circuit and you're looking for a trainer -- wouldn't a 20% guy attract your attention. So isn't it possible that Wolfson attracted new owners who perhaps had more money and better stock. And -- in regard to the ROI -- with better stock, couldn't Wolfson be more competitive in some races that he wouldn't have had the stock to compete with before. And, particularly in the winter, isn't it possible that many bettors across the country would still ignore him when he's up against higher profile trainers and horses. So an It's a Bird wins at 11-1 -- which certainly skews the 2009 ROI... |
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