Singletary pulls down his pants - Page 3

dalakhani · #41 11-01-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

One of the major reasons they chose Ward were the character issues. They signed Ward the year before Plax could become a FA because they were more comfortable with his character. At that time Plax appeared to have the larger upside.

Again your facts are wrong. They didnt sign ward's extension until a year AFTER Burress had left.

They signed Ward because he was the best run blocking receiver in the NFL and the Steelers were the most prolific running team. They signed ward because he was more productive than Plax. Its as simple as that.

If he had such character issues, the steelers wouldnt re-sign him at ANY price.

Here are Plaxicos stats:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...B/BurrPl00.htm

Here are Wards stats:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Hi00.htm?redir

Notice the years both were in Pitt. Ward was just much more productive not to mention a better blocker.

3kings · #42 11-01-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Again your facts are wrong. They didnt sign ward's extension until a year AFTER Burress had left.

They signed Ward because he was the best run blocking receiver in the NFL and the Steelers were the most prolific running team. They signed ward because he was more productive than Plax. Its as simple as that.

If he had such character issues, the steelers wouldnt re-sign him at ANY price.

Sorry I questioned you Coach Cowher, I'll move on since you know exactly what happened.

dalakhani · #43 11-01-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

Sorry I questioned you Coach Cowher, I'll move on since you know exactly what happened.

well, move on then.

ddthetide · #44 11-01-2008, 08:01 PM

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Sorry I questioned you Coach Cowher, I'll move on since you know exactly what happened.

i'm with you.

dalakhani · #45 11-01-2008, 08:04 PM

I guess in a sports discussion you cant point out when the other guy gets their facts wrong. I will have to remember that.

ddthetide · #46 11-01-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

I guess in a sports discussion you cant point out when the other guy gets their facts wrong. I will have to remember that.

3Kings has Steeler season tix.

dalakhani · #47 11-01-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

3Kings has Steeler season tix.

LOL. And Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house. There are plenty of people waving those yellow towels that don't have a clue.

Obviously, he should have picked up a program.

ddthetide · #48 11-01-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. And Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house. There are plenty of people waving those yellow towels that don't have a clue.

Obviously, he should have picked up a program.

Mortimer · #49 11-01-2008, 08:57 PM

10 round unanimous decision.

Mortimer · #50 11-01-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

3Kings has Steeler season tix.

What did the winner get?

3kings · #51 11-01-2008, 09:05 PM

The Steelers decided not to re-sign Burris after he missed mandatory mini-camp which was held on Mothers day weekend in 2004. They were not happy with his excuse, and thought he put himself above the team. They would have taken him at a discount price but were not willing to give huge money and a big signing bonus. Ward still had 2 years left on his contract at this time. You can believe me or not but the descision was made in the Summer of 2004 to keep Ward and only resign Plaxico if they could get him at below market value.

Mortimer · #52 11-01-2008, 09:08 PM

"You can believe me or not but the descision was made in the Summer of 2004 to keep Ward and only resign Plaxico if they could get him at below market value."

Is this not a way of saying....we don't want you?

Although I know a ton of players do sign for below market value.

3kings · #53 11-01-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

"You can believe me or not but the descision was made in the Summer of 2004 to keep Ward and only resign Plaxico if they could get him at below market value."

Is this not a way of saying....we don't want you?

Although I know a ton of players do sign for below market value.

Yes, its a way of saying we don't want you (you are not worth the risk at that$$$).

Mortimer · #54 11-01-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

Yes, its a way of saying we don't want you (you are not worth the risk at that$$$).

Did your wife ever stick you with a shiv?

dalakhani · #55 11-01-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

The Steelers decided not to re-sign Burris after he missed mandatory mini-camp which was held on Mothers day weekend in 2004. They were not happy with his excuse, and thought he put himself above the team. They would have taken him at a discount price but were not willing to give huge money and a big signing bonus. Ward still had 2 years left on his contract at this time. You can believe me or not but the descision was made in the Summer of 2004 to keep Ward and only resign Plaxico if they could get him at below market value.

I would bet that the decision was made long before that. The NFL is about the cap. The Steelers ownership's wealth is pretty much the steelers. They cant afford to play the cap games that owners like Snyder or Jones by giving big bonuses and spreading the hit out over a long period of time. They have to be really selective about the players they do that for.

An orgainization like the steelers doesnt plan year to year. You make salary cap planning years in advance. Ward's contract was up after the 2005 but after being the 31st highest paid receiver in the NFL, he was certain to hold out if they didnt give him a new contract and his agent had pretty much already said so.

So what was the choice? Ward or Plax. You couldnt keep both. And if that were the case, Ward was the much better player. Hands down.

What does that have to do with character? If he was a "character issue", they wouldnt have taken him at any price. How many of those guys have they tolerated over the years? I cant think of many.

So forget how it was being spun for just a second and look at the facts.