5/31 (TDN): Ohio Derby (Gr. II) Smooth Air-102 BSF

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

He's not very good - better? He's awful compared to what a lot of people think about him. And the Gotham was a total joke.

Not very good...fine...just like EVERY other 3 yr old except BB and Casino Drive.

I dont think a TON of him...but in this year's crop he is ok. Gotham was a bad field..as was Fl Derby...Hutcheson...Lecomte...and every other 3 yr old race.

[hockey2315]

You think enough of him to make him the 15 length winner of the Ohio Derby.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yes...and Z fortune and Smooth Air have monsterous wins also. Please.....Who have they beaten?

All 3 are ok 3 yr olds....I cant see a HUGE difference between any of em.

Z fortune has an allowance race where he beat nada in Dec. Then he beats the mighty Blackberry Road in The Lecomte....Blackberry Road hasnt done a thing all year. The Darp is a nice horse though.........

Smooth Air had a nice race in The Hutcheson....then runs 3rd to 2 average horses at Tampa...suck up 2nd in FL Derby ahead a bunch of misfits (show me one decent horse who ran in there besides BB)....


As far as the Derby....Z fortune..Smooth Air...and Visionaire all finished basically within 2 lengths of eachother in order....so to say that one of them is garbage and the other 2 aren't is rather ridiculous

LOL, this whole thing started because you said Visionaire would win this race by 15 lengths. I never said the other two were tons better than him, I was just pointing out how ridiculous that was.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Is it April Fool's day every day in your world ?


You honestly think First Defence ran better than Commentator the other day?

It's easier to set wicked fractions then chase them?

Where in god's name do you come up with this stuff ?


Nice opininion there Charles Manson jr.

Nice spelling there douchenozzle. Why don't you jump off my sack? At least Andy is funny when he breaks my balls.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nice spelling there douchenozzle. Why don't you jump off my sack? At least Andy is funny when he breaks my balls.

YES! This is the Joey I know and adore.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

YES! This is the Joey I know and adore.

Rumor is that after Garrett Gomez goes to Ohio to ride Z Fortune to the Ohio Derby win, he's gonna DH for the Cleveland Indians for awhile.

Can't be any worse than Travis Hafner, I wouldn't think.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

I'll throw in Stolen Chevy along with the two Derby also rans, but I like in the win spot Cherokee Artist...the fresh face

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I'll throw in Stolen Chevy along with the two Derby also rans, but I like in the win spot Cherokee Artist...the fresh face

I think the fact that Celtic Meal is in the race will probably ensure that Stolen Chevy has little chance here.
I doubt that I will end up betting this race, but if I do, I agree with you on Cherokee Artist.


To me it certainly seems like Smooth Air only wants one turn, but if he is ever going to win a two-turn graded stakes race, this is probably it. I'm STILL trying to figure out why some people here thought he was a contender going 10f.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You think enough of him to make him the 15 length winner of the Ohio Derby.

I was being sarcastic.....my bad. But seriously I think he is good enough to handle this putrid field.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, this whole thing started because you said Visionaire would win this race by 15 lengths. I never said the other two were tons better than him, I was just pointing out how ridiculous that was.

Was being sarcastic....sorry about that. But in all seriousness I think he could beat this field......rather pathetic bunch.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nice spelling there douchenozzle. Why don't you jump off my sack? At least Andy is funny when he breaks my balls.

It's nothing personal...anyone who thinks that FD ran a better race than Commentator deserves Idiot of the Month. If needed there can be multiple winners for May.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

It's nothing personal...anyone who thinks that FD ran a better race than Commentator deserves Idiot of the Month. If needed there can be multiple winners for May.

But Dew's worked so hard for the honor.

Seriously though, I never said FD ran better on Monday. I said I thought he's as good as Commentator, maybe better. That may or may not prove to be true (depending on one's criteria). For the record, I don't think anybody in the Met ran all that well.

[slotdirt]

LOL at douchenozzle.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

But Dew's worked so hard for the honor.

Seriously though, I never said FD ran better on Monday. I said I thought he's as good as Commentator, maybe better. That may or may not prove to be true (depending on one's criteria). For the record, I don't think anybody in the Met ran all that well.

Come on Joey. He's clearly reasonably talented, but has now bombed in two of his three biggest tests. Commentator has does some great things on the racetrack. Honestly, there is zero chance he is close to as good as Commentator.

The unfortunate thing is that First Defence might have had a shot to beat Benny the Bull in the True North. An outside shot but maybe catching that one in his first start since Dubai would have evened things up a little. I understand why Frankel took a shot in the Met Mile, as it would have meant ten times as much, but ultimately if First Defence is going to do anything it will probably be at 6F or MAYBE 7F.

The simple fact is he's been a major disappointment and if he wasn't a Jeddmonte/Frankel horse, based on his overall pps, nobody would really pay him much mind.

[ArlJim78]

the relative talent comparision between Commentator and First Defence was played out perfectly in the Met Mile. It wasn't the greatest looking race in the end but one thing that should have come out of the result is that First Defence was no match.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the relative talent comparision between Commentator and First Defence was played out perfectly in the Met Mile. It wasn't the greatest looking race in the end but one thing that should have come out of the result is that First Defence was no match.

It's easy sometimes, at least in our minds, to compare horses from the same barn and I can't help but think of Latent Heat. Well, Latent Heat at least won the Malibu, albeit with a perfect trip, but he too was ultimately a disappointment. He, however, would have drowned First Defence.

But, you're absolutely right, Monday's race showed the chasm of difference in their talents. Commentator at 7 is still much better than First Defence who should be running in peak form midway through his 4YO year. There's simply no comparison between the two horses.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Come on Joey. He's clearly reasonably talented, but has now bombed in two of his three biggest tests. Commentator has does some great things on the racetrack. Honestly, there is zero chance he is close to as good as Commentator.

The unfortunate thing is that First Defence might have had a shot to beat Benny the Bull in the True North. An outside shot but maybe catching that one in his first start since Dubai would have evened things up a little. I understand why Frankel took a shot in the Met Mile, as it would have meant ten times as much, but ultimately if First Defence is going to do anything it will probably be at 6F or MAYBE 7F.

The simple fact is he's been a major disappointment and if he wasn't a Jeddmonte/Frankel horse, based on his overall pps, nobody would really pay him much mind.

I said the same thing about Divine Park, and I don't see you giving me **** about that.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I said the same thing about Divine Park, and I don't see you giving me **** about that.

Because I agreed with you at the time about Divine Park's chances on Monday. It was First Defence I said you were nuts about.

Divine Park is still a long way from being the kind of horse Commentator was at one time in his career. He, at his peak, appears to be somewhere in Commentator's league as a 7YO.

[Bobby Fischer]

whos better

z fortune, your round, cherokee artist or commentator?

[Bobby Fischer]

^^^^
out of the ones facing off in Ohio