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And i understand that no one will breed to a crappy stallion forever but Fu Peg probably already has produced more foals than Northern Dancer. |
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Not to mention he has never had a horse with a BSF of 100 that I have ever seen. |
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I heard Pompa suggest Big Brown was worth 80 mil as a stallion...HUH That's a lot of mares at 100k a pop to recoup such an investment. It's become a business not a hobby for wealthy folks. I think the med's and medical technology are great things when used responsibly be folks. Simply put we all would rather breed a horse to a sound fast SOB then a science experiment that without science would be a frog.. I don't think you can look past that there are to many stallions that needed too much science to make them semi successful and that i think that is the nuts of the Beyer comments. |
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Hancock couldn't give that colt away nobody wanted a Halo. Finally Whittingham took him and the rest is lure. Grand slam at 1/2 price isn't too bad at all. |
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I don't think I said anything about "allowing weaker horses to pass off genetic weaknesses" as though one needed to give them permission, so I'm not sure what was "bunk." I think it's fairly well established that our physical traits are in our genes and we pass them along to offspring, whether we are horses, people, or Madagascar hissing cockroaches. And no, those genes can't be changed by medicine or surgery- my father's and my noses look nothing alike, but that's because he broke his as a teenager- I still got what he was born with, before that diving accident. ![]() Once again, a horse returning to the races after recovering from an injury is not the same thing as running a medicated horse. I don't think there's a racing fan anywhere who doesn't understand that athletes do get injured sometimes. If anything, the fact that PE recovered from what should have been a career-ending injury is testament to her good genes, since many horses would not have been able to, no matter how heavily medicated they were, or how much metal was put into their legs. One thing I find so entertaining about conservative mindsets is the "all or nothing" mentality- "Medicating horses can be bad?" "Fine, you're saying let's ban everything! What about ulcer medications?" "You don't want to operate on them, either, do you? Why do you hate our freedom?" ![]() I thought you made a good case in a post some time ago about medication enabling trainers to turn a horse around faster and that enabling owners to see a return on their investment faster, but that requires putting what may or may not be best for the animal below what's best for the owner, as the money is the motivating factor. Is that right or wrong? I don't know. I certainly think most trainers want what's best for their animals, and I also know racing is a very expensive sport. And, too, horses make fewer starts now, so is it really making a difference? Again, I don't know. I just thought it was a good financial argument and still remember it. You also (indirectly, I think) bring up a number of tangents, but I think it helps reinforce that racing's issue is not medication only, or breeding only, or tracks only- it's a number of things that combined result in fewer starts and smaller fields. But, as long as the gambling dollars hold out, there's no reason for American racing to change anything. Also a very American trait- if it's not really, really, catastrophically breaking, why bother doing anything? And even then, maybe not bother. ![]() Anyway, good stuff, as always, Chuck. Thanks for responding.
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![]() I know this isn't a Beyer article, but I thought I'd post it anyway. The Sun's coverage of Preakness week is - as always - pretty stellar.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/h...4909744.column
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Maybe because i am a baseball junkie and have seen a revolution in thinking in that sport I just expect more in this sport. There is almost no critical thinking and yet most of what has been held to be true in horseracing has been proven false so many times. |
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![]() "Commercial farms" = factory farms
kinda like puppy mills |
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I don't care what anybody writes or says, we do things the right way around our horses," he says. "And I know there's people that don't. I'm in the game, I know what's happening. When these kind of guys beat me, I don't like it because I know what they're up to." |
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![]() If giving winstrol to your horses once per month is doing the right thing, I'd hate to see what doing the wrong thing is.
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BTW congratulations to Gary Contessa and Rite Moment.. Nice to see trainers improving the filly 25 pts in 2 months..Chuck were do they get this hay? |
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![]() Well, winstrol is banned in ten states now. The stuff can't be that good for horses in the long run.
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