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![]() Where would Secretariat be on the list of all time greats w/out his Belmont? His Derby was tremendous, no doubt, and he showed his versatility on the grass at Woodbine. But 1 1/2 miles on the dirt is basically an irrelevant distance. The Belmont has historically had some very big victory margins, as some horses simply want no part of the distance. At 1 1/4 miles, Secretariat might've been favored over The Bid, but I think it wouldn't have been by much.
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... as a 2YO and 3YO Secretariat was far better than Spectacular Bid. In 1980 ... as a 4YO ... Spectacular Bid had one of the most ... spectacular ... years any American race horse has ever had. He was without question one of the ten best American race horses of the 20th century. The Blood-Horse panel put him at #10 ... I think that was too low ... he was definitely in the top 7 ... possibly in the top 5. |
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SB...9 starts, 7 wins, 1 second, two new track records. Secretariat...9 starts, 7 wins, 1 second, no new records. |
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Secretariat smashed all three track records in winning the Triple Crown ... two of those track records still stand today ... 33 years later ... and the other is still a stakes record. Secretariat also set the world record for 9f ... broke a track record for 12f on turf ... and equalled a track record for 8f in early April of his 3YO year. Spectacular Bid's only track record as a 3YO came at an oddball distance at Delaware Park. And if winning the Belmont Stakes by a large margin were so easy ... how come Spectacular Bid couldn't do it? |
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What "oddball" distance was the Bid's record at when he was at Delaware? If its between 6f and 1 1/4 miles, I say its not an oddball distance. Nobody is saying Secretariat wasn't great. Just maybe the gap between him and Spectacular Bid isn't as great as many believe. |
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Spectacular Bid...12 starts, 10 wins Secretariat...12 starts, 9 wins While Spectacular Bid did a better two year old year than Secretariat did, I will concede that Secretariat had the better three year old year although SB also set several track records and won more races in the same number of starts. Also, SB didn't win the only start at 12 furlongs that he ever had because he was sore. No horse can win over 12 furlongs if they had a safety pin stuck in their hoof the night before. Not even Secretariat. Also BB, SB actually set a new track record in the Meadowlands Cup at the end of his three year old season too. Last edited by kentuckyrosesinmay : 07-17-2006 at 11:31 AM. |
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Spectacular Bid set one track record ... and equalled another .. as a 2YO. Secretariat finished first in 8 of 9 starts at 2 ... and had one disqualification which was unrelated to his being the best horse in the race. Their racing styles as 2YOS were completely different ... Spectacular Bid blazing along on the front ... Secretariat loping along at the rear. Spectacular Bid was one of a handful of truly great race horses in America in the 20th century. Isn't that more than enough? Why go overboard and try to compare him to the two horses who completely rewrote the record books ... and set new standards for the ages ... Man O' War and Secretariat? |
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Right up there with the crap Jose Santos had a buzzer on Funny Cide.
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![]() Track records have lost all meaning to me after I saw Greater Good just set one at Churchill Downs.
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Both Secretariat and Spectacular Bid ran the distances which were carded ... and Secretariat ran them much better. |
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Does that answer your concerns? |
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![]() I think it is really hard to compare horses from era to era. The game has changed so much it isnt funny. But it is always good to know the history of the sport. I really think there are too many stakes races, too much important but on a Grade I win and too much importance but in the BC Races. Breeding for speed is the one thing that has made this sport so mundane in the past years. I love how you get a 14 horse field in the Smile Handicap worth $500k and you get a 6 horse field for the Stephen Foster for $750k.
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In 1979 the Meadowlands was a brand new track ... and new track records were set virtually every night. The 10f record set by Spectacular Bid was at a distance which had only been run once before in the track's history. That's another "oddball" circumstance. |
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He did a spectacular job with Spectacular Bid. He did a great job training one of the best race horses anyone has ever seen ... but he only looks foolish with that nonsensical safety pin story. |
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