Curlin and Pyro - Page 3

The Indomitable DrugS · #41 01-30-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I called the horse a rat. That's what I think of him.

Based on what?

What performance of his was so bad or so wildly overrated - for him to earn the rat label?

#42 01-30-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I called the horse a rat. That's what I think of him. So what? If that's something that DaHoss took personal, then I'm sorry it offended him. If that was his invitation to take shots at me, so be it. Even so, I still never suggested that he has a bad record or that mine is better than his.

I'd like to see this horse in another barn. You would probably end up being vindicated.

pmayjr · #43 01-30-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

OK, who here wants to volunteer to be the bearer of the bad news?

As I put in parenthesis in the rest of that post... I knew this was coming...

pmayjr · #44 01-30-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I can tell you this, it's always a good idea to claim off of Asmussen because his barn is based on talent and not magic.

Hey, just because when horses run for Asmussen, Durtrow, Lake, or Jane Vayders, they all grow wings. And then when they claimed away from said trainers, the Wings retract, doesn't mean anything... IT'S ALL TALENT BABY... and maybe a little cobra venom.

#45 01-30-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr

Hey, just because when horses run for Asmussen, Durtrow, Lake, or Jane Vayders, they all grow wings. And then when they claimed away from said trainers, the Wings retract, doesn't mean anything... IT'S ALL TALENT BABY... and maybe a little cobra venom.

Well it's important that these great personalities continue without the worry of being suspended. The sport needs guys like Asmussen and Dutrow to shine on national television in order to attract new fans (rapists, murderers, tax cheats, O.J.) to the game.

pmayjr · #46 01-30-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Well it's important that these great personalities continue without the worry of being suspended. The sport needs guys like Asmussen and Dutrow to shine on national television in order to attract new fans (rapists, murderers, tax cheats, O.J.) to the game.

Now those 4 personalities are a lil more harsh than girlfriends, wives, cops, and cross-examining lawyers as mentioned earlier I hope Blackthroat?

Antitrust32 · #47 01-30-2008, 03:17 PM

so, um, hossy, um, do ya have a girlfriend?

blackthroatedwind · #48 01-30-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so, um, hossy, um, do ya have a girlfriend?

OOOOOOOOOO!

( He already blew the money on hookers and crack.....too late. )

Indian Charlie · #49 01-30-2008, 03:19 PM

how about a boyfriend?

blackthroatedwind · #50 01-30-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

how about a boyfriend?

I'm way ahead of you on that one. Sorry.

Indian Charlie · #51 01-30-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm way ahead of you on that one. Sorry.

Oh?

Based on the postings in this thread, I figured you had dibs on Pmayjr.

Does he know you are a two-timer?

The Indomitable DrugS · #52 01-30-2008, 03:23 PM

It really all depends on how Hossy feels about SCAT

King Glorious · #53 01-30-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Based on what?

What performance of his was so bad or so wildly overrated - for him to earn the rat label?

I don't think they were bad. I do think they were overrated. Rat for me is a relative term. I just mean below the top level. Pyro has a chance to be a very good horse. He's obviously talented and has the ability to be in the upper ranks of this year's 3yo class. With so many races out there, he should win his share of them and could make a good career for himself. But I feel like he's overrated. I see it every year. Horses that look like the longer they go, the better they'll be. The ones that look like when they get a little bit more distance, they'll run past those same rivals that kept finishing in front of them. But it never seems to happen. I look at the lead-up to the BC Juvenile. In the DRF selections section, more people had Pyro picked over War Pass than the other way around, despite the fact that War Pass had already beaten Pyro twice. They added distance and another turn and War Pass beats him by more. Toss it because of the sloppy track if you want to but the fact remains that on three different tracks (Sar, Bel, Mon), on three different surfaces (good, fast, sloppy), at three different distances (6f, 8f, 8.5f), at one-turn and at two....War Pass has been better than Pyro at each step. Yet if you look at most rankings, you would swear that War Pass is the one that has to catch up to Pyro because of what most people THINK will happen in the future.

Indian Charlie · #54 01-30-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think they were bad. I do think they were overrated. Rat for me is a relative term. I just mean below the top level. Pyro has a chance to be a very good horse. He's obviously talented and has the ability to be in the upper ranks of this year's 3yo class.

Perhaps you should add to your signature your definition of terms that vary wildly from what is generally accepted as a definition by most everyone else?

Or, at least qualify it when you use such a term in a way that is inconsistent with how everyone else would use it?

King Glorious · #55 01-30-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You need only look at your own Signature - and who you rank as the best horse to race in the last 22 years as a start....

King Glorious-ran 7f in 1:21 1/5, which the DRF printed at the time was equal to the second fastest 7f ever run by a 3yo. Was a grade one winner of the Hollywood Futurity and the Haskell. Finished 8 for 9 in his brief career. Maybe he wouldn't have beaten Easy Goer and Sunday Silence that year but his former rider, hall of famer Chris McCarron, who rode Sunday Silence also, once said that it was his opinion (and I think he knows a little something about horses) that up to a mile, EG and SS wouldn't have been able to catch KG. I know a mile is not the classic distance but it's still meaningful. If KG was as good as they were up to a mile, according to McCarron, that's enough for me to believe that my belief in his ability is not totally unfounded.

Java Gold-won the Whitney, Travers, and Marlboro Cup and was 1/9 to win the JCGC, before being upset. He almost undoubtedbly would have been named HOY had he won that race, having already beaten Alysheba and Bet Twice in the Travers. Yeah, I know, sloppy track. BTW has pointed out that his other major wins also came on wet tracks. But in wins against Broad Brush (who had already beaten that year's HOY Ferdinand) and Gulch (Met Mile, Wood, Gotham) and Polish Navy (Woodward), he had shown that he was a legit horse. Mack Miller called him his best horse ever and he had some good ones.

Lammtarra-won the Epsom Derby in his second career start, off a seven-month layoff, setting a track record in the process. Came back to beat older in the King George and then the Arc to retire 4 of 4. If an American horse were to do the equivalent, win a maiden sprint in October then come back in May to set a track record in the Derby, followed by wins in the Hollywood Gold Cup and BC Classic, he would be hailed as Pegasus.

Smarty Jones-Bobby Frankel, another who's been around a few good horses in his lifetime, said that Smarty was right up there with horses like Bid and other greats. He also got endorsements from guys like Gary Stevens and Jerry Bailey. Or are we all just way out in left field?

Go for Wand-Any horse that can run 7f in 1:21 flat then come back in nine days and run 10f in 2:00 4/5 is a special horse. Do you know that in the history of Saratoga, only General Assembly (2:00), Honest Pleasure (2:00 1/5) have gone faster (Easy Goer and Thunder Rumble did equal it)? Then to top that off, she came back to win a 9f race at Belmont in 1:45 4/5, only 2/5 off of Secretariat's track record. Before falling down, she was nose and nose with Bayakoa in the stretch of the BC Distaff (I thought she was going to win). Bayakoa is arguably the best distaffer in the past 20 years and almost without a doubt would be in everyone's top 3-5. Go for Wand did all of this as a 3yo filly.

Maybe you are right though. Maybe I am horrible at analyzing talent. But if guys like McCarron, Miller, Frankel, Bailey, and Stevens agree with me on some of this stuff, I'm proud to be horrible.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #56 01-30-2008, 04:26 PM

all i want to know is where is the pine island memorial.. and damit if wonder lady ann l isnt at the top of my where are they now list.....

brianwspencer · #57 01-30-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Maybe you are right though. Maybe I am horrible at analyzing talent. But if guys like McCarron, Miller, Frankel, Bailey, and Stevens agree with me on some of this stuff, I'm proud to be horrible.

I would like to own Pyro, even though he's a rat.

King Glorious · #58 01-30-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I would like to own Pyro, even though he's a rat.

Surprised it took four pages to get this post. Thought it would come immediately.

#59 01-30-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Surprised it took four pages to get this post. Thought it would come immediately.

It's like nails on a chalkboard.

brianwspencer · #60 01-30-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Surprised it took four pages to get this post. Thought it would come immediately.

Give me some credit.

I could never have done it were it not for your equally ridiculous post using the same lines of thinking prior to mine.