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06-05-2007, 11:29 AM
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If he wants to race his horse, so be it. Who knows what could happen, I don't think he will finish dead last.
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06-05-2007, 01:34 PM
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Anyway, it's very transparent and you have made it abundantly clear that you really just don't get it. You have time and time again turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the real issue at hand. Simply put, that is what proves my point -- not the fact that you can't -- the simple fact that you refuse to even address it. It's one thing if you don't know anything about the game and then I would understand your naivete. But that doesn't appear to be the case. However, you are passionate in defending a friend with his resume, yet, again, fail to address the real issue. Here it is -- read slow now so maybe you get it. Mr. Roman himself said that the horse would be make his presense felt early on, even though he felt he wouldn't be anywhere in it at the end. Even Mr. Roman doesn't think the horse belongs in the race, yet the one overwhelming statement has been that he'll make his presense felt early on. That's a pretty simple statement which I think you could see. You speak about winning a G1 at a home track. Nobody has seen those comments made -- and the only one making them is you. Do the above statements refect that? There was also commentary that Hard Spun should "watch out" or something along those lines. If Mr. Roman wants to run his horse -- great. I wish him the best of luck. I am sure there are others here who would dispute that, but that too is not the issue. Personally, I truly enjoy seeing people who are passionate about the game go out and love the game and what they are doing. This colt beats the field fair and square -- great. However, that's not what you or Roman have spoke about. All I've heard is making a horse's presense felt. What does this mean and do? Does it translate into perhaps assuring that a race might not be cleanly run? However, with all of this in mind, what about costing another horse the race -- when taken in the context that one admits they really don't stand a chance or don't belong in the race? Is this horse making his presense felt early on going to try and prove something? To hear the horse's name being called on top? Might he be stinging another horse, who does in fact have a legitimate chance to win -- again, in this context? Will this non-contender, in context, compromise the legitimate chances of a legitimate contender? What's the cost attached to that? It's not about winning a G1 race at one's home track -- you know those comments are not about that, and I know it as well. Are you getting it now? This is my concern -- and if something like this happens it is not good for the game. It's disgraceful. You have proven nothing in your foolish position simply by not addressing the facts that you apparently don't get. More importantly, I think you really don't want to get it. Your blind support of a friend is superceding your common sense. I am surprised your PR is so well received here. Eric
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06-05-2007, 03:50 PM
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I have taken your above post and removed all of the junk that didnt answer the points I made. By the way, you might do well for the Bush administration with your posts.
Here is the only thing that appears to be your point Mr. Roman himself said that the horse would be make his presense felt early on, even though he felt he wouldn't be anywhere in it at the end. Even Mr. Roman doesn't think the horse belongs in the race, yet the one overwhelming statement has been that he'll make his presense felt early on. That's a pretty simple statement which I think you could see. Yet over all of the years of racing that I have seen, and I have followed the game since 1970, I have seen rabbits entered, when they dont belong and the race never was made a mockery or a danger to any of the horses. Not only that I have seen rabbits that have won stake races because horses have stayed away from them. Although Mr. Romans horse is not a rabbit for another entry mate he is a horse that may be on the lead or prominent early. If you note I bolded the word may in the last sentance. Mr. Roman can hype, dare or threaten anyone in the race, yet Mr. Roman doesnt ride the horse. Hopefully a skilled jockey will be on the horse and determine whats best for the horse. I doubt Dutrow, as the trainer and an experienced trainer would tell the jockey "I dont care how quick you go, nobody gets by you" Mr. Roman may have made some statements that are not normally seen in the racing worlds, but he has every right to run his horse, and perhaps ruin his horse. The same way I see plenty of horses that have no business running in the Derby and then never running well or even winning another race again in their careers. I would think that with Rags To Riches now entered, Digger might not go. By the way, when was the last time a filly won the Belmont? I can't believe someone would run a filly against boys at 1.5miles in June, on the dirt. She could be ruined as a racehorse. Enjoy the race this weekend, ELA, I will too.
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06-05-2007, 04:04 PM
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Which " rabbits " have you seen win?
I'm very curious.
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06-05-2007, 04:11 PM
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So you address my points with selective BS. Nobody is talking about Digger being runied and you know that. More deflection. Your snide remarks about the filly have nothing to do with the issue -- but you spend a great deal of time talking about nonsense that has nothing to do with the issue. All this is is more rationalization, justification and vacillation. No substance of course. Just like the rabbit nonsense. Everyone knows it's his right to race the horse -- everyone, including me as said that, but that's what you are justifying? Deal with the facts that someone puts forth to you, not the ones that everyone has already agreed to. Do it once and it will be your first time. I agree with his right to race the horse. I agree with his passion. That's what the game is about. And -- that is not the issue.
I do really like your effort of substantiating your nonsense with the analogy of a rabbit, then of course stating that of course Digger is not one. I would like to thank you, on behalf of everyone here, for explaining what a rabbit is and the fact that Digger is not one. BTW, what exactly do you call that? Thanks for the entertainment. If this colt runs someone down on the front end, we'll see how well the publicity goes then. I guess we'll also see how long you stick around here after your PR job is over. Eric
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06-05-2007, 04:16 PM
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I'm actually interested. I suppose it may have happened.....I'm honestly curious. I remember Loach being purchased as a rabbit for Strike the Gold ( that was incidently the purchase that paved the way for Richard Lundy going to jail I believe ) and he finished second to Alydeed in the Carter. However, he was also a pretty talented horse and was not running in the Carter as a rabbit.
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06-05-2007, 04:17 PM
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Funny. Who's next....Awe Inspiring?
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06-05-2007, 04:31 PM
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For what it's worth, while I honestly respect your opinion, I called Bill Nack ( I figured he might be a reasonable authority on this ) and he said Angle Light was absolutely not a rabbit for Secretariat and that he was in fact owned by different interests.
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Did you know that Cryptoclearance was on a 45 and change pace in a maiden race at Saratoga, as a 2YO, in his first or second start? Pretty amazing considering what he turned into. He was a really nice horse.
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