Time Squared, can he upset the bluegrass ?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

To the SHED..

You have too much time on your hands....

I did it for your benefit too!

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not trying to make you look bad....you are doing that by yourself. I am just pointing out the silliness of picking a horse like Time Squared, as I did when you picked Raceland a few weeks ago at Aqueduct, as it is either a desperate cry for attention or a dangerously poor opinion.

don't forget about his "tout" on discreet cat at a ridiculous 1-1, then he had the bravery or stupidity to say it was the biggest loss he ever had in 1 day. wise guy, its people like that i love. overbet the horse thats the greatest thing that never ran. i've seen those types come and go for years.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

don't forget about his "tout" on discreet cat at a ridiculous 1-1, then he had the bravery or stupidity to say it was the biggest loss he ever had in 1 day. wise guy, its people like that i love. overbet the horse thats the greatest thing that never ran. i've seen those types come and go for years.

so much for me to respond to but i will only take the time to respond to you.




what the does discreet cat have to do with me liking Time Squared ? As for him being even money, was it ridiculous before the race ? i dont think so, alot of ppl thought discreet cat would win, not just me, and i did lose alot on him, i truly belive even money was value on a horse who is normally 3-5, but again what does any of that have to do with me saying i like Time Squared ? I do like him i will be betting him win and place, and playing a pick 4 using him and the 2 favorites in the bluegrass, but once again what does any of what you said have to do with this thread about Time Squared?

[ArlJim78]

another tidbit for those that are going to put Time Squared on top in the Blue Grass. He wasn't even the fastest maiden winner at Kee last week.

There were two MSW's ran at Keeneland last Friday at 1 1/16 miles.

The first was won by Time Squared in 1:45.68

The second one was won by True Competitor in 1:43.96

I don't know why the True Competitor connections are not planning to run in the Gr1 Blue Grass.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

so much for me to respond to but i will only take the time to respond to you.




what the does discreet cat have to do with me liking Time Squared ? As for him being even money, was it ridiculous before the race ? i dont think so, alot of ppl thought discreet cat would win, not just me, and i did lose alot on him, i truly belive even money was value on a horse who is normally 3-5, but again what does any of that have to do with me saying i like Time Squared ? I do like him i will be betting him win and place, and playing a pick 4 using him and the 2 favorites in the bluegrass, but once again what does any of what you said have to do with this thread about Time Squared?

it has alot to do with it. i think you make your choices without common sense analyisis. i guess i'm a different kind of handicapper. its not that you liked discreet cat , its how you bet. for one if i'm going to take 1-1 on ANY horse , he better of been running recently and been the distance. secondly, even if i do favor a horse like that i'm not going to "unload" on it. i'll give you credit if time squared does somehow win you will get a great return, no doubt. i noticed you have also been on the nobiz bandwagon too. again its one of the most obvious picks (like DC was) therefore the price will be short. do you know the difference between an overlay and a underlay ? like i said to you before its fine to be a fan of a horse, i have posters of funnycide but i wouldn't bet him with your money. i take it your young just by the way you post. its not just the horse you like, but if every one else like him too. when risking your cash and putting it on the line one should consider the value of that risk or if the horse even has any shot of winning at all. at least your not playing follow the leader with this time squared choice, so i'll eat crow if he actually wins but i highly doubt it.

[Payson Dave]

I saw the Time Squared maiden win...imo he ran very green in the stretch...the horse may have some talent and while at this time of the year 3yo's can move forward dramatically from one race to the next...it still would be a huge jump forward for him to be a winner in the Blue Grass

[Rootdog1]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The final coup de gras.

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

First of all, I never said Patrick should or shouldn't run this horse, and that is not what I was talking about anyway. I'm talking about people looking for reasons NOT to run horses, i.e. Hard Spun, which is different than not liking an overmatched horse's chances.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

First of all, I never said Patrick should or shouldn't run this horse, and that is not what I was talking about anyway. I'm talking about people looking for reasons NOT to run horses, i.e. Hard Spun, which is different than not liking an overmatched horse's chances.

His owner wears red sport coats.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

I don't think any of the discussion here was directed at faulting anyone for taking a shot.

This whole thing was kicked off by someone saying that he can win the race, which as you say seems highly unlikely.

[Rootdog1]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Timed Squared does not belong in the race and its an example of derby fever taking over.

I thought this is what you were agreeing with. It is contrary to what I heard last night, thats all.

I agree that he is in way over his head and his last race was horrible.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

I thought this is what you were agreeing with. It is contrary to what I heard last night, thats all.

I agree that he is in way over his head and his last race was horrible.

It's not contrary to what I was talking about last night. The discussion in this thread centers around somebody saying they like Time Squared and I was saying it was a bad selection. How is that the same as " people need to stop finding reasons not to run their horses? "

Plus, it is not as though I am advocating things like the first time starter in the Arkansas Derby, or even every 50-1 or higher filler running in races. I think my actual point is fairly clear, unless someone is trying to cleverly attempt to put words in my mouth, and it has a lot to do with horses like Hard Spun and not no shotters like Time Squared.....who I couldn't care less about whether he is running or not. I just don't recommend betting him. Surely you have heard people at the racetrack say " that horse does not belong with these." or some such comments. Do you always take that to mean the person is against them being in the race?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

What happend to the topic on ATRAB last night --- If you have a decent horse then RUN THEM. TAKE SHOT.....The GIANT KILLER takes shots.


Now, I agree he has shown nothing to show he can win....but hell, at least they are running him and will prob get a check out of the deal.

The big difference is from the owners perspective the horse just has to run top five to cash a check. From a bettors perspective running top five does nothing for you.

[Rootdog1]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not contrary to what I was talking about last night. The discussion in this thread centers around somebody saying they like Time Squared and I was saying it was a bad selection. How is that the same as " people need to stop finding reasons not to run their horses? "

Plus, it is not as though I am advocating things like the first time starter in the Arkansas Derby, or even every 50-1 or higher filler running in races. I think my actual point is fairly clear, unless someone is trying to cleverly attempt to put words in my mouth, and it has a lot to do with horses like Hard Spun and not no shotters like Time Squared.....who I couldn't care less about whether he is running or not. I just don't recommend betting him. Surely you have heard people at the racetrack say " that horse does not belong with these." or some such comments. Do you always take that to mean the person is against them being in the race?

I thought you were inferring he shouldnt be running, and that it was irresponsible to run him there and that it was just Derby fever. That is why I asked. I am not putting words in your mouth, if that comment was directed at me.

I agree with you and all others on this issue, he has not shot.

[Smooth Operator]

Leaning toward Street Sense at this point.

Hunter's been away for six weeks now, which could give SS a slight edge in this spot IF he's fully recovered from the Tampa race as his training seemed to suggest. Also, Hunter's clearly not unbeatable with four runner-up finishes in eight starts.

[Cajungator26]

I'm going to watch how the poly runs on Saturday, but I don't think it's impossible for Teuflesberg to wire this field if speed is holding.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm going to watch how the poly runs on Saturday, but I don't think it's impossible for Teuflesberg to wire this field if speed is holding.

Speed isn't holding, and while he does have a pace advantage, I highly doubt Dominican will let him too far out of his sights.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

I thought this is what you were agreeing with. It is contrary to what I heard last night, thats all.

I agree that he is in way over his head and his last race was horrible.

root, these are just opinions, yes that is my opinion. I think he is terribly over-matched and I would not run the horse in this spot, and I would not consider betting him in this spot.

I'm not faulting the trainer, or saying I know better. but I am questioning the decision.

sure run the horse, take a shot, it's a free country, try to be like the Giant-killer. that doesn't mean however that I have to agree with everyone that does it.

is it really though in the best interest of the horse to run back on a weeks rest moving from maidens to Gr1? would they do it in any other circumstance other than with the derby looming three weeks away? In my opinion I think not. it looks to me like they have been pushing him this year, they ran him in the Sham as a maiden. I just hope they know what they're doing and don't push him so much that it ends up setting the horse back or worse.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

I thought you were inferring he shouldnt be running, and that it was irresponsible to run him there and that it was just Derby fever. That is why I asked. I am not putting words in your mouth, if that comment was directed at me.

I agree with you and all others on this issue, he has not shot.

Patrick Biancone is my friend.....you won't find me calling him irresponsible.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Patrick Biancone is my friend.....you won't find me calling him irresponsible.

I think His Hong Kong days where quite the thrill too