Smarty Jones Classic - Page 3

randallscott35 · #41 03-20-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not to be overly critical, but if you don't know who Laz Barrerra was, I find it hard to even have a discussion that in any way involves the history of the game. You simply have a myopic view of the game that centers around one OK horse while ignoring the plentitude of players in this game that deserve at least as much attention....and in many cases more.

By the way, that attendance, while substantial, was phony.

I could be wrong but I believe Laz Barrerra is an island just south of Kokomo.

blackthroatedwind · #42 03-20-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I could be wrong but I believe Laz Barrerra is an island just south of Kokomo.

He's more deserving of having an island named after him than Smarmy Jones is of having a major race named after him.

Cajungator26 · #43 03-20-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I could be wrong but I believe Laz Barrerra is an island just south of Kokomo.

LMAO

I believe there are two mountains on that island... one is named Bold Forbes and the other is named Affirmed. Are we talking about the same island?

blackthroatedwind · #44 03-20-2007, 11:08 AM

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LMAO

I believe there are two mountains on that island... one is named Bold Forbes and the other is named Affirmed. Are we talking about the same island?

The man got Bold Forbes to win the Belmont....as unbelievable a feat as one may ever see in racing. Cordero didn't hurt either.

Cajungator26 · #45 03-20-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The man got Bold Forbes to win the Belmont....as unbelievable a feat as one may ever see in racing. Cordero didn't hurt either.

I had the chance of seeing Bold Forbes at the Kentucky Horse Park in 93' or 94'. Cranky fellow he was. I think I still have some pictures somewhere.

randallscott35 · #46 03-20-2007, 11:18 AM

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The man got Bold Forbes to win the Belmont....as unbelievable a feat as one may ever see in racing. Cordero didn't hurt either.

Once again I could be mistaken but Bold Forbes is the Great Uncle of Steve Forbes.

blackthroatedwind · #47 03-20-2007, 11:19 AM

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I had the chance of seeing Bold Forbes at the Kentucky Horse Park in 93' or 94'. Cranky fellow he was. I think I still have some pictures somewhere.

I saw him make his US debut in Saratoga in the Sanford or Saratoga Special in 1975. Honest Pleasure was 2:5 when Bold Forbes beat him in the Derby the next year.

blackthroatedwind · #48 03-20-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Once again I could be mistaken but Bold Forbes is the Great Uncle of Steve Forbes.

That is an unintentional slur on Bold Forbes. He was much smarter.

Cajungator26 · #49 03-20-2007, 11:24 AM

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I saw him make his US debut in Saratoga in the Sanford or Saratoga Special in 1975. Honest Pleasure was 2:5 when Bold Forbes beat him in the Derby the next year.

I wasn't born yet.

I wish I had been. It must have been amazing to see the racing back then...

Did you ever see Forego run? He was at the Horse Park when we went too... huge horse and very friendly. He was the only one I remember coming over and letting us pet him.

randallscott35 · #50 03-20-2007, 11:27 AM

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That is an unintentional slur on Bold Forbes. He was much smarter.

It's all about the flat tax Andy!...Forbes needed another pitch....I hope Nader runs again so I can vote for him.

blackthroatedwind · #51 03-20-2007, 11:27 AM

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I wasn't born yet.

I wish I had been. It must have been amazing to see the racing back then...

Did you ever see Forego run? He was at the Horse Park when we went too... huge horse and very friendly. He was the only one I remember coming over and letting us pet him.

Sure, but not that many times. The first time I ever went to Belmont was when Wajima beat him in the third Marlboro Cup in 1975 and I was there when Forego beat Honest Pleasure in the 1976 Marlboro thriller. The only other time I saw him was when he was basically eased in the sloppy Whitney.

I watched that 1976 Marlboro with one of the few great old-timers left in this game, the legendary jockey agent Ralph Theroux Sr. He is a wondeful man.

blackthroatedwind · #52 03-20-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

It's all about the flat tax Andy!...Forbes needed another pitch....I hope Nader runs again so I can vote for him.

I would vote for Bill for any office he ran for.

randallscott35 · #53 03-20-2007, 11:30 AM

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I would vote for Bill for any office he ran for.

So would I. But Ralph will have to do. Wonder if they are related? "Unsafe At Any Speed"---by Bill Nader --a journey into the mind of jockey Mike Smith

Samarta · #54 03-20-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Smarty Jones deserves NOTHING. He raced, he won, he raced, he lost, he got a mild injury and his owners took the money and ran....and then blamed others.

He is the most glaring recent example of people's lack of knowledge of the history of the game.

I have to defend the Chapman's decision. Not because retirement was the right thing initially (after further medical exams 3 months after the retirement, it turned out to be the right decision) but because of how the whole thing played out. It was simply based on the vets recommendation. It wasn't until the conference call when Larry Bramledge made the comments he made that put the Chapmans in a bad spot. Was there money involved? Absolutely! You had investors paying big numbers to purchase a share of the 50% that was available. Was money the deciding factor? No. It was for the love of the horse that the decision was made.

Samarta · #55 03-20-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not to be overly critical, but if you don't know who Laz Barrerra was, I find it hard to even have a discussion that in any way involves the history of the game. You simply have a myopic view of the game that centers around one OK horse while ignoring the plentitude of players in this game that deserve at least as much attention....and in many cases more.

By the way, that attendance, while substantial, was phony.

How so? The fact that he was the single reason for the largest on site attendance in New York sports history says something for what his run did for the industry. It was a good horse, a better story, and an unbelievable 5 weeks. Whether you liked him or not, the industry is still realizing the benefits of Smarty Jones.

horseofcourse · #56 03-20-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Once again I could be mistaken but Bold Forbes is the Great Uncle of Steve Forbes.

Was Peat Moss, the great uncle of Randy Moss?? Despite being gelded??

blackthroatedwind · #57 03-20-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Samarta

How so? The fact that he was the single reason for the largest on site attendance in New York sports history says something for what his run did for the industry. It was a good horse, a better story, and an unbelievable 5 weeks. Whether you liked him or not, the industry is still realizing the benefits of Smarty Jones.

How exactly is " the industry is still realizing the benefits of Smarty Jones "?

And, by the way, calling it the largest on site attendance in New York Sports is a skewed approach, as while leaving out the fact that the announced attendance was a lie, it is only a " record " because of the amount of people Belmont is able to hold as opposed to other sports arenas. I think if Yankee Stadium held 250,000 people that Belmont record would certainly not exist and easily the same thing could be said for Madison Square Garden for, at least, the first Ali/Frazier fight. Or, perhaps you would like to argue with me that Smarty Jones had more popular and worldwide appeal than that heavyweight bout.

Remember, I am not the one who tried to skew this arguement with a misleading statistic.

#58 03-20-2007, 11:49 AM

Heh it's Philadelphia Park...who cares if they name a race after Smarty.

Even headphone kitty doesn't care...

mes5107 · #59 03-20-2007, 11:52 AM

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How exactly is " the industry is still realizing the benefits of Smarty Jones "?

There are horse racing fans that exist now mainly because of the media explosion that Smarty Jones created during his TC try. I'm online or at the racebook at least once a week, and Smarty was the main catalyst to me becoming interested in the sport. I'm positive that I'm not the only one.

Cajungator26 · #60 03-20-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mes5107

There are horse racing fans that exist now mainly because of the media explosion that Smarty Jones created during his TC try. I'm online or at the racebook at least once a week, and Smarty was the main catalyst to me becoming interested in the sport. I'm positive that I'm not the only one.

Smarty Jones? Are you serious? Hey, whatever gets people interested.