Ron Santo

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/stats/hi...Locator=GARVEY

What about this guy? I know he had an odd personality,but, without him, I honestly don't think the Dodgers would have had nearly the success they did from '74-'81.All those 200+ hit seasons......They weren't Ichiro hits.They were mainly hits that were clutch,and led to division titles,and 4 World Series appearances(the last resulting in a ring.)

If he had those stats as a 2nd baseman or ss he may have some support but as a 1st baseman his stats are lacking

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Satan's Twin

You've got it ass backwards. Sandberg's first wife was rumored to be hooked up with a number of different athletes, the most often heard name was Don Marijle, then of the Phoenix Suns. Sandberg divorced her. During his induction speech into the HOF, he broke down when he thanked his second wife, whom he met after his divorce, for helping him cope during that period which he called the most difficult period of his life.

Dan not Don who was also rumored to be on both sides of the fence if you know what I mean

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If he had those stats as a 2nd baseman or ss he may have some support but as a 1st baseman his stats are lacking

Well,I watched him play more games than I would like to admit to seeing.What stat(s) is he lacking? Obviously,you're right,because it doesn't look like he's getting in.I'd say that he didn't hit as many home runs as I would have liked.He would be in if he had hit 350,or 400 of them.Kind of a sucker for that outside pitch, too.Here,if voters ever see this link,they would never vote for him.I don't think he is getting in.Not exactly a sympathetic figure.Probably sealed his fate with those fat pills he use to push on cable.


http://www.stevegarvey.com/cooperstown.html

Did that say "surely allow him to take his proper place.....in the Hall of Fame".................LOL..........Can you imagine trying to squeak into the Hall by saying you should "surely" get in?? TOO FUNNY........If Tony Perez is in,then this guy should be in,or maybe neither should be in.I know he was a lot better than Tony was,and Tony was also a 1st baseman.So,it is tough to say Garvey shouldn't be in('cause Perez is already in.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What stat(s) is he lacking?

I tell you what he is not lacking to be positive:

1. Garvey is not lacking large popeye like, hairy black forearms.
2. Women. When he was younger.
3. A penchant for being a part of some of the most horrible sports shows I have ever seen.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I tell you what he is not lacking to be positive:

1. Garvey is not lacking large popeye like, hairy black forearms.
2. Women. When he was younger.
3. A penchant for being a part of some of the most horrible sports shows I have ever seen.

Somebody should write a book called "American Cafeteria "........Make the whole book a collection of successful Cafeteria Catholics in America. You could start with JFK and Garvey.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,I watched him play more games than I would like to admit to seeing.What stat(s) is he lacking? Obviously,you're right,because it doesn't look like he's getting in.I'd say that he didn't hit as many home runs as I would have liked.He would be in if he had hit 350,or 400 of them.Kind of a sucker for that outside pitch, too.Here,if voters ever see this link,they would never vote for him.I don't think he is getting in.Not exactly a sympathetic figure.Probably sealed his fate with those fat pills he use to push on cable.


http://www.stevegarvey.com/cooperstown.html

Did that say "surely allow him to take his proper place.....in the Hall of Fame".................LOL..........Can you imagine trying to squeak into the Hall by saying you should "surely" get in?? TOO FUNNY........If Tony Perez is in,then this guy should be in,or maybe neither should be in.I know he was a lot better than Tony was,and Tony was also a 1st baseman.So,it is tough to say Garvey shouldn't be in('cause Perez is already in.)

Garveys average season is .294 avg. .329 obp .446 slg. 19 hrs 91 rbis
79 runs 181 hits

That is not hall of fame numbers as a 1st baseman

Actually over his career Perez had very similar #'s to Garvey except he played a few seasons more and wound up accumulating higher #'s at the key HOF stats. He has 350 more RBI's, 140 more hits,55 more doubles 40 more triples 140 more runs and most importantly 107 more HR's.

Truthfully Perez got in due to intense lobbying on the behalf of the other deserving HOFers from the big Red Machine. He was definitely a borderline call.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Garveys average season is .294 avg. .329 obp .446 slg. 19 hrs 91 rbis
79 runs 181 hits

That is not hall of fame numbers as a 1st baseman

Actually over his career Perez had very similar #'s to Garvey except he played a few seasons more and wound up accumulating higher #'s at the key HOF stats. He has 350 more RBI's, 140 more hits,55 more doubles 40 more triples 140 more runs and most importantly 107 more HR's.

Truthfully Perez got in due to intense lobbying on the behalf of the other deserving HOFers from the big Red Machine. He was definitely a borderline call.

Well,Perez had 943 more at bats,but only 133 more hits.So,if Garvey would have hung around (like Perez did in the 80's,)then all he had to do is hit .141 in those extra 943 at bats,and he would of accomplished his hit total.The most hits that Perez ever got in a season was 186.Garvey had one season where he had 192 hits.That was sandwiched in between 6 seasons of 200,210,200,202,204,and 200 hits.The most important factor you left out is that Perez was surrounded by offensive weapons.He only had to pile on.He rarely had to take on the responsibility of being the top offensive weapon on the team.Garvey had this responsibility for most of his career.Believe me,he was not surrounded by offensive weaponry.Far from it.I think this is what people are missing.This guy carried a franchise (offensively) from '74 thru '82,and had a huge part in them getting to the World Series 4 times,and getting 1 championship.Since he left,they have been to the World Series 1 time(in 24 seasons.) I can tell you for sure that from '74-'82 the Dodgers wouldn't have been to any World Series without this player.Can you tell me that the REDS wouldn't have had their huge success without Perez? He was a .279 hitter on a team that had incredible offensive weaponry.I was too young to see the Dodgers play before '74.Just so happens that it was Garvey's 1st big year.He was 26 years old.I never really realized it,but he was a late-bloomer.I only got to see 9 seasons of very high quality play.He broke his thumb while playing for the Padres in '83.He had 2 more decent seasons before tailing off in '86.The Padres didn't even get any of his great years,but they thought enough of the player to retire his number.I think if I was just any ball fan that looked at his stats,then I would probably think about the same way(that he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall.)Thing is that I got to see him play day in/day out for 9 seasons .Since he left,they have never had the consistency that he helped provide.Not even close.The most legit knock on him would be that he was a late bloomer,and only was playing at a very high level from 26 years old,and started to fade when he was 35-38 years old.It was a relatively short career.Really never noticed it before,because I guess I got to see 9 very good years.It never dawned on me that he didn't do enough.It never felt like that when he played here...Never.

[PeteMugg]

Personally, with the exception of pitchers, I don't believe position should have much to do with a players offensive production. They either need to hit for power or for average. Morgan, Maz, Rizzuto, and many others hit for neither.

Either they should be out of the Hall, or a lot of others should be included. Joe Morgan needs to get off his high horse and realize he's lucky to be a member. Since he's in he thinks it's time to raise the bar. Get real.