NBA Playoffs - Page 22

horseofcourse · #**421** 05-24-2009, 10:34 PM

Worst shooting game the Magic will have this series and the Cavs were never in the game in the second half. Never got it under 4 after 3 minutes were gone in the 3rd quarter. It's simply a miracle they didn't get swwpt. Guess I'll just have to accept game 2 as the shining moment this season and be happy with that.

horseofcourse · #**422** 05-24-2009, 10:36 PM

Hey, dala. Two bets...the series ends in 5 games. And I'll give you Cleveland and 15 points in game 4. What say you?? I need more money!

#**423** 05-24-2009, 10:36 PM

This game, unfortunately,
was a solid horrible.

I feel violated

horseofcourse · #**424** 05-24-2009, 10:38 PM

Cavs get a 1 for 11 for Turkoglu and lose by double digits. Game 4 could be anywhere from a 35 to 45 point loss for them.

Cannon Shell · #**425** 05-24-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

at some point you will admit that delonte is no better than ariza all around. They are virtually the same player. Delonte a little better off the dribble, ariza better in the open court.

Ariza isnt a part of LA's offense and he is a marginally effective defensive player. He is athletic, doesnt need to shoot and signed to a cheap contract. West is a combo guard who runs Clevelands offense when Williams isnt on the court, can create his own shot off the dribble, is a good spot up shooter, guards the opposing teams best scorer and plays virtually the entire game. He wouldnt win many spelling Bees but he is a better player than Ariza.

#**426** 05-24-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Cavs get a 1 for 11 for Turkoglu and lose by double digits. Game 4 could be anywhere from a 35 to 45 point loss for them.

Stop it.
This is not Ernest Byner fumbling on
the goal line. What has got into you
Cleveland fans. Stop it with this
chronic pessimism.

Cannon Shell · #**427** 05-24-2009, 10:43 PM

Someone please talk horseofcourse off the ledge...

Cannon Shell · #**428** 05-24-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn

Stop it.
This is not Ernest Byner fumbling on
the goal line. What has got into you
Cleveland fans. Stop it with this
chronic pessimism.

They are Cleveland fans. What else do they have without pessimism?

horseofcourse · #**429** 05-24-2009, 10:45 PM

Let's investigate the stench more closely...Cleveland style. Had 5 more personal fouls than field goals. Shot 37 percent....19 percent from 3 point...5 for 26. It really is amazing that people were giving Orlando no shot this series. Orlando played poorly tonight and Cleveland never threatened them in the 2nd half. OH well, the INdians are only 9 games back on Memorial Day. We turn our losing eyes to them now.

horseofcourse · #**430** 05-24-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn

Stop it.
This is not Ernest Byner fumbling on
the goal line. What has got into you
Cleveland fans. Stop it with this
chronic pessimism.

The only advantage Cleveland had in this series was home court advantage. They played great in game 1 and lost a hearbreaker. It's not Earnest Byner fumbling but it is 5 more personal fouls than field goals in a huge conference final playoff game. (byner fumbling was overrated. They just would have lost in overtime regardless...as they did the previous year.) I'm not seeing much difference in this game and the Byner fumble. the Byner fumble was the penultimate game as this is the penultimate series. Again, losing this series is better for me. It would be much worse to lose game 7 of the finals at home which would happen.

horseofcourse · #**431** 05-24-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Someone please talk horseofcourse off the ledge...

I'm fine. It's simply standard operating procedure. Anything else would be more shocking than simply more losses. Believe it or not, this was the best game they have played in Orlando this year. They weren't really threatening to win, but it wasn't a complete blowout either like the other two.

dalakhani · #**432** 05-24-2009, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ariza isnt a part of LA's offense and he is a marginally effective defensive player. He is athletic, doesnt need to shoot and signed to a cheap contract. West is a combo guard who runs Clevelands offense when Williams isnt on the court, can create his own shot off the dribble, is a good spot up shooter, guards the opposing teams best scorer and plays virtually the entire game. He wouldnt win many spelling Bees but he is a better player than Ariza.

LOL.

Ariza is shooting 51% from three point land and 55% from the field while making two decisive plays to help win games.

West is shooting 40% from the field and 33% from three point land and has been insignificant on the offensive end in this series.

You are a silly, stubborn man that loses a ton of credibility by sticking with these hopeless positions.

horseofcourse · #**433** 05-24-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL.

Ariza is shooting 51% from three point land and 55% from the field while making two decisive plays to help win games.

West is shooting 40% from the field and 33% from three point land and has been insignificant on the offensive end in this series.

You are a silly, stubborn man that loses a ton of credibility by sticking with these hopeless positions.

what say you on the bets...i need more money!

dalakhani · #**434** 05-24-2009, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

what say you on the bets...i need more money!

LOL. what is your opinion of trevor ariza? are he and delonte west on the same level as offensive players?

horseofcourse · #**435** 05-24-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. what is your opinion of trevor ariza? are he and delonte west on the same level as offensive players?

I don't follow the Lakers. They are meaningless to me as is that series. Delonte gave my 4 kids autographs in Salt Lake this year with a broken wrist at the time. He was somewhat understandable as well. I have a soft spot for the guy. So it is unfair to ask me comparisons. I think West plays well. Ariza has looked better in the conference finals without question however. Ariza has played better in the conference finals. over the whole season I have no clue what Ariza does.

horseofcourse · #**436** 05-24-2009, 11:13 PM

Goodness. I looked at the Lakers season stats, and I think it would be idiotic to compare their stats. Of course West plays more minutes so of course his scoring would be more....but their field goal pct was the same and West was far, far higher in 3 pt and free throw percentage. I would say Ariza is just having a good series is all. West not so much so far.

dalakhani · #**437** 05-24-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't follow the Lakers. They are meaningless to me as is that series. Delonte gave my 4 kids autographs in Salt Lake this year with a broken wrist at the time. He was somewhat understandable as well. I have a soft spot for the guy. So it is unfair to ask me comparisons. I think West plays well. Ariza has looked better in the conference finals without question however. Ariza has played better in the conference finals. over the whole season I have no clue what Ariza does.

He has played better. Only cannon would deny that. I think they are about equal just with different roles. West is playing better defense now than he did when Gilbert use to torch him. He has played very well against turk although they are giving him a lot of help. Ariza has picked it up against carmello and i dont think anyone would confuse turk with as being as tough a cover as melo.

Overall, they are both role players with no real advantage overall.

dalakhani · #**438** 05-24-2009, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Goodness. I looked at the Lakers season stats, and I think it would be idiotic to compare their stats. Of course West plays more minutes so of course his scoring would be more....but their field goal pct was the same and West was far, far higher in 3 pt and free throw percentage. I would say Ariza is just having a good series is all. West not so much so far.

Interesting about the minutes. Despite playing ten more minutes per game, he averaged less than 3 points more and fewere steals, rebounds and blocks!

horseofcourse · #**439** 05-24-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He has played better. Only cannon would deny that. I think they are about equal just with different roles. West is playing better defense now than he did when Gilbert use to torch him. He has played very well against turk although they are giving him a lot of help. Ariza has picked it up against carmello and i dont think anyone would confuse turk with as being as tough a cover as melo.

Overall, they are both role players with no real advantage overall.

West is better. But Ariza is simply playing better offense THIS series, mainly I think because Denver is not a good defensive team...Orlando is. I mean you can bend stats any way you want them. Wallace and Varejao shot 75 percent combined tonight. That doesn't mean they are good shooters as all 3 shots they made were layups. And you don't want them taking 25 shots combined a game. You still want all your shots coming from James, WEst, Williams, Ilgauskas regardless of whether they are making them or missing them.

but to take this one series and state flat out Ariza is better is ridiculous.

horseofcourse · #**440** 05-24-2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Interesting about the minutes. Despite playing ten more minutes per game, he averaged less than 3 points more and fewere steals, rebounds and blocks!

Ariza's taking more shots per minutes. Who cares? Delonte West is a 6'3" guard, how many blocks is he supposed to get??