Turfway Cancel

[SCUDSBROTHER]

At Golden Gate they had breakdowns in both the 7th and 8th races today.If this synthetic at Turfway isn't what they want,then fine,but I don't understand where dirt is in any way a better option. Get a better synthetic.

[sumitas]

As Arl Jim said, the ship has sailed. Let's improve the synthetics, clamp down on the drugs and shoes, that's the future. And the future is now.

[Danzig]

very unhappy to read the CHRB will not be enforcing their toe grab rule. toe grabs in the opinion of many is a cause of problems with horses. why make a rule and then not enforce?
oh...wait...we are talking about cali, aren't we?

[todko]

Originally Posted by sumitas

As Arl Jim said, the ship has sailed. Let's improve the synthetics, clamp down on the drugs and shoes, that's the future. And the future is now.

The ship has sailed?

The Titanic sailed too -- briefly. Until it hit a big chunk of frozen poly and sank.

I just checked as to why Turfway cancelled. Turfway cancelled because of feedback from the jocks regarding the cold temps on their body. Jocks said that the surface was OK but the cold was too much for them and their body. I was in Cleveland over the weekend and the cold was brutal.

[The Bid]

Until it hit Spandex, old blownout tires, and someones old rug a cat pissed on

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by smartyalex

Having grown up in Arkansas and now living in Louisville, I can say that with the wind chill this is honestly the coldest day I have ever experienced!

I feel for you! I can't even imagine... I'm bitching about the temps being in the 30's here in FL.

[todko]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I just checked as to why Turfway cancelled. Turfway cancelled because of feedback from the jocks regarding the cold temps on their body. Jocks said that the surface was OK but the cold was too much for them and their body. I was in Cleveland over the weekend and the cold was brutal.

Glad you got that all cleared up for us Euro .

BTW, did you notice the article from past thread? JJP posted this:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky...g/16549702.htm

[The Bid]

Nice article Todko

The worst December on record, seems like the track is holding up well.

Lucky we have had the most mild winter I can remember

[The Bid]

Vietch is a genius...

"There is somethign that made the track different". Yes there is, RACING. What a bunch of incompetent buffoons

[blackthroatedwind]

John Veitch is a great man.

Originally Posted by todko

Glad you got that all cleared up for us Euro .

BTW, did you notice the article from past thread? JJP posted this:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky...g/16549702.htm

I read that article earlier. I will be the first to say that I am not happy with the surface at Turfway. It is entirely too fast. The thing about Poly is that when it is cold, the fibers get hard and fast. Just like anything else that freezes. The challenge that tracks is going to have is to keep the surface warm enough so the track isnt playing so fast. They have more and more work to do. But, we have the surface down at good tracks where the business can learn what to do and what not to do. We need testing tracks and Turfway is a perfect track to conduct that testing.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I read that article earlier. I will be the first to say that I am not happy with the surface at Turfway. It is entirely too fast. The thing about Poly is that when it is cold, the fibers get hard and fast. Just like anything else that freezes. The challenge that tracks is going to have is to keep the surface warm enough so the track isnt playing so fast. They have more and more work to do. But, we have the surface down at good tracks where the business can learn what to do and what not to do. We need testing tracks and Turfway is a perfect track to conduct that testing.

Euro, the whole point of this stuff was to be maintenence free. That was the argument in many cases before the garbage was even put down. So now what? Install heaters underneath the surface to keep the track warm? Come on...

While we're at it, why don't we just put a superdome over all of the tracks up north to prevent the freezing?

[The Bid]

Euro

The whole thing is this track isnt supposed to freeze, or require any upkeep

This track is a Joke, Marty Collins and Keeneland make all the money and the idiots at TWP scramble around and step on their own dicks trying to figure out the problem.

Fellas its not rocket science, the problem is the cold, and racing, exactly what this track is supposed to handle. Its not an all weather track, the weather in KY in the winter isnt like England. It doesnt just ran, it gets damn cold, and its foolish to think a carpet wouldnt freeze in the rain. Havent any of you ever pulled carpet and put it outside for the garbage collectors? Feel that carpet after a few days in the rain and cold. WHAT A JOKE

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Euro, the whole point of this stuff was to be maintenence free. That was the argument in many cases before the garbage was even put down. So now what? Install heaters underneath the surface to keep the track warm? Come on...

While we're at it, why don't we just put a superdome over all of the tracks up north to prevent the freezing?

Well no it wasnt meant to be maintenance free. All the literature said that the surface is virtually maintenance free. But with any surface, you are going to need to maintain it. No, I do not think heaters are the answer. I think they need to find the right mixture so that the surface doesnt get too cold and fast. Again, this is a work in progress. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

[The Bid]

Virtually maintenance free isnt taking 4 inches off the top, grading it constantly, having it uneven, freezing, getting kickback thats like marbles shooting out of a gun. Thats not maintenance free, thats a train wreck

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well no it wasnt meant to be maintenance free. All the literature said that the surface is virtually maintenance free. But with any surface, you are going to need to maintain it. No, I do not think heaters are the answer. I think they need to find the right mixture so that the surface doesnt get too cold and fast. Again, this is a work in progress. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

They just spent millions of dollars on this "work in progress." I recall your original argument for this surface was its "easy maintenence." This isn't easy maintenence, Euro. The stuff is garbage and instead of admitting to it, you're skating around the topic.

Originally Posted by The Bid

Euro

The whole thing is this track isnt supposed to freeze, or require any upkeep

This track is a Joke, Marty Collins and Keeneland make all the money and the idiots at TWP scramble around and step on their own dicks trying to figure out the problem.

Fellas its not rocket science, the problem is the cold, and racing, exactly what this track is supposed to handle. Its not an all weather track, the weather in KY in the winter isnt like England. It doesnt just ran, it gets damn cold, and its foolish to think a carpet wouldnt freeze in the rain. Havent any of you ever pulled carpet and put it outside for the garbage collectors? Feel that carpet after a few days in the rain and cold. WHAT A JOKE

Again, nobody has ever said the surface doesnt require any upkeep. And I agree that the weather in England is vastly different from what Turfway gets. But, that doesnt mean that the surface isnt better. PolyTrack is certainly better than dirt for turfway. The numbers speak for themselves. Compare the number of injuries and ambulance runs. I have always maintained that Turfway should close down from x-mas to V-day. But no one ever listens to me.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

They just spent millions of dollars on this "work in progress." I recall your original argument for this surface was its "easy maintenence." This isn't easy maintenence, Euro. The stuff is garbage and instead of admitting to it, you're skating around the topic.

All you have to look at is the dollars spent on the maintenance on Poly vs the maintenance of the old dirt surface. And again, the surface needs to be tested. And the only way to test is to race on it during the year. Turfway and Keeneland knew this before they laid the new surface. I am not sure why people have a problem with testing it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

All you have to look at is the dollars spent on the maintenance on Poly vs the maintenance of the old dirt surface. And again, the surface needs to be tested. And the only way to test is to race on it during the year. Turfway and Keeneland knew this before they laid the new surface. I am not sure why people have a problem with testing it.

Please point out the article in which it states that Turfway is going to be a "test" track for Polytrack. I'd like to see that.