Aqu 1st

[philcski]

Rapid Rickey in the 7th has a chance to wire these...

5/1,2,6,9

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Has it occured to you that it is a souped up speed track and that performance was yet another example of a track being responsible for a horse's performance?

But hey, I don't trust anybody, and will certainly pass on your concerns to Roddy Valente, who owned the first winner, next time I see him.

YOu do that ok?
My point wasn't to accuse anyone of anything, rather to point out that certain KNOW IT ALLS bring up situations like these and point to certain guys and scream "CHEAT CHEAT"!!!! yet when other trainers win they point to VERY VALID and logical reasons like souped up tracks as the reason.
That was the point of my starting this thread, and the very first response I got was exactly what I was looking for, thanks!!!

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, I guess your pal Mike didn't, else he wouldn't have posted his rant. Actually, as far as Roddy is concerned, Mike is the one who has dropped his name around here, I'm just the one who is friendly with him. I was only trying to help your pal Mike in letting him know I would make sure to pass along his concerns. Certainly an owner would want to know if his trainer was cheating.

I'm glad I have increased your limited vocabulary. It warms my heart to know I have helped the needy.

I've never dropped his name, I've only mentioned that "a local owner" owns a horse.
I know who he is but never see him.
Now, you go back and try and find the post where " I dropped his name" ok?
You are really off your game on this thread.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oracle,I remember very well when this guy's father died.It was like the night before the Spring Aqu Meet started last year.So,this guy wasn't around to saddle etc. his own horses.You have no idea the bloodbath that took place in that showdown contest the 1st 3 days of that meet.People were getting blown out of that contest(myself included) because of using this guy's horses when he wasn't around.I think I had 10 tickets to start that contest,and only had 2 left after the 1st 3 days of the meet.Those were some pretty good horses that were running off the board.

Scuds,
It was obviously the product of a souped up track, and whenever a route horse cutting back to sprints makes an easy lead, they are very tough to beat. Those weren't exactly great horses.
I didn't bet a quarter on the race, so I really and truly didn't care.
My point in starting the thread was that "someone" might run his mouth and start ranting instead of getting the point I was making.
My point was that big time form reversals happen quite often, Yet only get noticed and fingers pointed at juice when its certain guys.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I've never dropped his name, I've only mentioned that "a local owner" owns a horse.
I know who he is but never see him.
Now, you go back and try and find the post where " I dropped his name" ok?
You are really off your game on this thread.

How " off my game " am I?

Was refuting your original post, which apparently after its utter lunacy has been exposed had some double meaning, " off my game "? Let me guess....Dixie helped you with your response.

Was pointing out that Bishop Court Hill was the speed of the speed in the feature " off my game ". Let me guess further...Dixie called you after the race to tell you that as well?

Mike, constantly mentioning names unnecessarily, which is what you do constantly, is what I find preposterous. Certainly the owner being referred to has had his name thrown around more than once by you. Sorry if I'm not going to peruse your 5000 plus posts to find examples.

" Off my game "? It's always some personal wrestling match with you.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I've never dropped his name, I've only mentioned that "a local owner" owns a horse.
I know who he is but never see him.
Now, you go back and try and find the post where " I dropped his name" ok?
You are really off your game on this thread.

Here's one....post #41 in the " If you're not a horse then maybe you're a rabbit...

Originally Posted by oracle80

He was sold to Arab interests a few years back by Roddy.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How " off my game " am I?

Was refuting your original post, which apparently after its utter lunacy has been exposed had some double meaning, " off my game ". Let me guess....Dixie helped you with your response.

Was pointing out that Bishop Court Hill was the speed of the speed in the feature " off my game ". Let me guess further...Dixie called you after the race to tell you that as well?

Mike, constantly mentioning names unnecessarily, which is what you do constantly, is what I find preposterous. Certainly the owner being referred to has had his name thrown around more than once by you. Sorry if I'm not going to peruse your 5000 plus posts to find examples.

" Off my game "? It's always some personal wrestling match with you.

No see, its personal with you!!!
I've never "dropped" Roddy's name, nor have I ever said I have spoken to him, etc.
I believe I made a reference to "local owner" having owned Coyote lakes, but am QUITE sure that I said local owner, instead if his name.
No double meaning, just something that iw as trying to point out, as I think "juice paranoia" is out of hand these days, and say so often.
Off your game was not in reference to any selctions you may have made today. Been busy running errands and just got in and only read this thread.
Besides, you couldnt put a gun to my head and make me bet Bishop Court Hill anyways.
Show me teh name dropping on Roddy, I will be waiting.
You sir, are mistaken about that or a flat out liar. I'm assuming its the first.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I've never "dropped" Roddy's name, nor have I ever said I have spoken to him, etc.
I believe I made a reference to "local owner" having owned Coyote lakes, but am QUITE sure that I said local owner, instead if his name.

Show me teh name dropping on Roddy, I will be waiting.
You sir, are mistaken about that or a flat out liar. I'm assuming its the first.

Beat you to it big guy.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here's one....post #41 in the " If you're not a horse then maybe you're a rabbit...

Yeah, so? Thats name dropping? You have to be kidding me. Name dropping is when you mention someone in relation to knowing them. Not stating a fact. I mean, when someone says "johnny V gave a horse a bad ride" is that name dropping>
By the way, you don't set the rules about what i post or how I post it, and Im not particularly interested in your inaccurate version of name dropping.
And you never got back to my original post. How come only certain guys get accused of "juice moveups" when a horse reverses form, and others do.
By that I mean, I never hear anyone stating perfectly logical reasons why a horse own nicely when its a "juice guy".
Are you saying my thought on this has no validity?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beat you to it big guy.

Please explain to me how using someones name is name dropping, because quite frankly I've never seen anyone accuse soemone of name dropping when its a public figure and you are stating a fact.
Is that really the best you can come up with? I'm disappointed in you, truly, you can'ty do any better than that.

[philcski]

Breaking news...

I finally won a race today.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7806

You called him "scotty" you name dropper you!!!!
Give me a berak please. When making reference to someone in the game in an obtuse nondirect manner is not name dropping.
Saying you had lunch with them might be, but making a factual reference is not name dropping.

Originally Posted by philcski

Breaking news...

I finally won a race today.

Congrats!!!
Which race did you win?

[blackthroatedwind]

Take a time out....seriously.

First you denied ever using his name....challenged me to find an example. I did in seconds. Now, apparently, you are changing your tune again ( Dixie? ). Stop. You incessantly, and needlessly, fill your posts with people's names, most likely to create some sort of feeling that you know these people. Really, we all know it. You can call it name dropping, or whatever, but what it really is is unnecessary.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Take a time out....seriously.

First you denied ever using his name....challenged me to find an example. I did in seconds. Now, apparently, you are changing your tune again ( Dixie? ). Stop. You incessantly, and needlessly, fill your posts with people's names, most likely to create some sort of feeling that you know these people. Really, we all know it. You can call it name dropping, or whatever, but what it really is is unnecessary.

Wrong Sigmund. And shame on you name dropping a guy who just passed away.
Saying "roddy" sold him would only be interpreted by you as name dropping.
And i wouldn't say saying "scotty" did this or that would be name dropping.
If you wanna set the rules, at leats play by them yourself ok?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Congrats!!!
Which race did you win?

9th @ Aqu, ran 2nd 4 times today and was about to throw my program out the window.

2nd race @ 10-1
5th @ 11-1
6th @ 6-1
8th @ 21-1

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Wrong Sigmund. And shame on you name dropping a guy who just passed away.
Saying "roddy" sold him would only be interpreted by you as name dropping.
And i wouldn't say saying "scotty" did this or that would be name dropping.
If you wanna set the rules, at leats play by them yourself ok?

This is the best you can do?

Here's an idea....let it go. If you think my starting a thread about a notable person in racing passing away, and using his name in that post, is equivalent to your off-hand, and unnecessary, throw-ins of obscure people's names in racing then I guess you're correct here.

Is this really worth perpetuating?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

To be fair, Eric, without saying it was a bias aided win, it was a pretty tough performance to defend.....especially in relation to the horse's pps.

Without question -- the performance, absolutely, which is why I commented you made the point. Aside from the eventual # being bias influenced, and aside from the performance -- I thought the horse, with a bit of a step forward, figured a bit. I did not think the entire field laid over the horse.

Eric

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is the best you can do?

Here's an idea....let it go. If you think my starting a thread about a notable person in racing passing away, and using his name in that post, is equivalent to your off-hand, and unnecessary, throw-ins of obscure people's names in racing then I guess you're correct here.

Is this really worth perpetuating?

amazing thing was she paid, I think, 5-2. There is a chance she was as high as 4-1 but she was bet like IRON into Capote Belle.

Santos rode her and Drew ( who had his book then ) told me she was VERY good but we were all rightfully afraid of Capote Belle. They had comparable trips, though for some reason I think Danseuse's was tougher, and she drowned her ( like 2 1/2 lengths pretty easily ).

Ok look, I agree this is stupid, but you wanna play etiquette enforcer so...

In this post of your you refer to "drew" who we all know is Mollica.
You name dropper.
I could keep going I suppose, but anyone hwo hangs around the track is gonna say things like this now and then because they know folks.
Need more examples?

Originally Posted by ELA

Without question -- the performance, absolutely, which is why I commented you made the point. Aside from the eventual # being bias influenced, and aside from the performance -- I thought the horse, with a bit of a step forward, figured a bit. I did not think the entire field laid over the horse.

Eric

Eric, my post was to point out that freak outs by some guys get accusations, and by others none.
I think there is way too much paranoia and emphasis on Juice around here, and get called naive for it.
Freak outs happen.