On their knees for ole Frankie

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You know Oracle, the last time I was in Louisville I noticed that sports bar would have the games on and then also have TVG on. There were several people with their lap tops wagering, drinking and watching the game. Oh yeah, the name of the bar was Buffalo Wild Rings and Wings.

That is what we do at Wild Wings up here...The NCAA tourney was absolutely nuts, I have two Pinnacle windows open on my laptop, one with the horse section and the other with CB window open, and I was given control of all TV's to help out with the insaneness....it was awesome

Originally Posted by oracle80

Buffalo WIld Wings is my favorite type place like that in the world and we dont have any here. I always go when I am in Lousiville. If they opened pne up here in saratoga you wouldn't be able to get in the door.
I agree, I've seen people doing that in places that acrry TVG with laptops. But imagine if anyone could have a device when they walked in and bet? I'm telling you, it would be a crazy success.

Whoever creates that device will be a rich person. I love Wild Wings and Rings. The place is impossible to get into on a Sunday and Monday during foorball season.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Whoever creates that device will be a rich person. I love Wild Wings and Rings. The place is impossible to get into on a Sunday and Monday during foorball season.

They invented them years ago, called Tiny tims, personal sams, whatever.
Its not hard, but the focus on marketing in this game is all ****ed up beyond recognition.
Spend all this time and worry trying to get people to go to the track, whenyou could bring the track to them so much easier.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Buffalo WIld Wings is my favorite type place like that in the world and we dont have any here. I always go when I am in Lousiville. If they opened pne up here in saratoga you wouldn't be able to get in the door.
I agree, I've seen people doing that in places that acrry TVG with laptops. But imagine if anyone could have a device when they walked in and bet? I'm telling you, it would be a crazy success.

You should get the scratch and franchise one, they do those all over

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

They invented them years ago, called Tiny tims, personal sams, whatever.
Its not hard, but the focus on marketing in this game is all ****ed up beyond recognition.
Spend all this time and worry trying to get people to go to the track, whenyou could bring the track to them so much easier.

They have tellers walking around Arlington for the seated people, it is awesome. You give them your voucher, tell them what you want, and bam, you have tickets and your voucher back. I never have to leave my seat becuase the beer girl is right by our box and she just brings them to us, I have my own TV, and the teller knows to get to my box with 5MTP...a GREAT ROUTINE

Originally Posted by Scav

You should get the scratch and franchise one, they do those all over

It is alot of money to get a restaurant franchise like that. We lost on the bidding for a cereal bar chain store. We are now trying to get a restaurant First Watch.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

It is alot of money to get a restaurant franchise like that. We lost on the bidding for a cereal bar chain store. We are now trying to get a restaurant First Watch.

it isn't that bad for BWW.

I know that Fatburger wants 1 million up front to start one of their stores....

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Scav

You should get the scratch and franchise one, they do those all over

My buddy looked into a Buffalo WW Franchise, startup was something like $2 million.

Originally Posted by Scav

it isn't that bad for BWW.

I know that Fatburger wants 1 million up front to start one of their stores....

Restaurant is tricky and hard for me to really grasp. Sometimes you have to buy the rights to multiple stores, sometimes you have to agree to open X amount of stores in a certain amount of time. I really dont want a career in the restuarant world. I want to buy one and then sell it back when the value is the highest.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Restaurant is tricky and hard for me to really grasp. Sometimes you have to buy the rights to multiple stores, sometimes you have to agree to open X amount of stores in a certain amount of time. I really dont want a career in the restuarant world. I want to buy one and then sell it back when the value is the highest.

Mace, I think that 2 million gets you like 10 stores though. I know the one where I live, the owner had to agree to put in 5 stores, at least 20 miles apart from each other or something crazy like that.

Originally Posted by Scav

Mace, I think that 2 million gets you like 10 stores though. I know the one where I live, the owner had to agree to put in 5 stores, at least 20 miles apart from each other or something crazy like that.

That is the thing, why would you want 5 stores in a 20 mile radius. Franchising is difficult.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

That is the thing, why would you want 5 stores in a 20 mile radius. Franchising is difficult.

not radius...20 miles APART....>i have a like three Walgreens to choose from within a 1 mile radius, and about 4 McDonalds within a 2 mile radius here....

[SentToStud]

I wish they had more green areas at Gulfstream too and they've admitted making mistakes with the paddock/walking ring area and lack of grandstand seating. Supposedly they've taken steps to ameliorate those two problems. We'll see.

But I actually admire the business model. They made it clear from the start that Gulf would be a handle-driven track and not attendance-driven. They will suffer modestly on the 4-5 big days but how can you fault them for not building a huge grandstand? Those days are over, save the dozen or so big days for the TC, BC, etc.... It makes no sense to use your resources to bulid a 20,000 seat grandstand that's almost never needed.

Business is cooking at the place and purses will be up 18% vs last year. In the meantime there are a half dozen nice restaurants there and there was even a boxing card yesterday evening.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I wish they had more green areas at Gulfstream too and they've admitted making mistakes with the paddock/walking ring area and lack of grandstand seating. Supposedly they've taken steps to ameliorate those two problems. We'll see.

But I actually admire the business model. They made it clear from the start that Gulf would be a handle-driven track and not attendance-driven. They will suffer modestly on the 4-5 big days but how can you fault them for not building a huge grandstand? Those days are over, save the dozen or so big days for the TC, BC, etc.... It makes no sense to use your resources to bulid a 20,000 seat grandstand that's almost never needed.

Business is cooking at the place and purses will be up 18% vs last year. In the meantime there are a half dozen nice restaurants there and there was even a boxing card yesterday evening.

Agree, there is no such thing as a RACE TRACK anymore, it is more of an event center with a dirt oval there....Arlington is the same way, they have all these events their in the off season...don't fault them one bit

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

.....there are a half dozen nice restaurants there and there was even a boxing card yesterday evening.

I heard Debbie Gibson will sing there soon.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I heard Debbie Gibson will sing there soon.

Electric Blue should really pack them in Scuds!!!Standing room only!!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I heard Debbie Gibson will sing there soon.

I went to a Debbie Gibson concert at SIU when I was there, it was PACKED with hot chicks in 80's gear, it was awesome

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

I went to a Debbie Gibson concert at SIU when I was there, it was PACKED with hot chicks in 80's gear, it was awesome

She wrote Lost In Your Eyes after meeting Dixie.Can't believe he forgot to tell ya that.

Originally Posted by Kasept

Once famed for its gracious and expansive backyard setting to enjoy the winter sun in Florida, there is now not ONE BLADE OF GRASS AVAILABLE TO SEE... Paved over everything...

There is no where to sit for the most part, unless you pay $20 for an indoor simulcast carrel or the dining room minimums... The atmosphere is closed and claustrophobic throughout downstairs.

Betting tellers are difficult to access unless you are in the upstairs dining rooms, and those are no bargain either... There's a taste of the new Gulfstream..

Look, they went 360 from the old gulfstream, which, btw, was not run down. It had a nice saddling area, nice elevated walking ring, and the ability to race 1 1/16 races for new 3 yos.However, they did need to reconfigure their simulcasting areas. It was a pleasure to go there for a day of horseracing, in a park like setting. Sure there were alot of empty seats during the week, but it filled up on weekends. The new place has 900 seats outside facing the track at $10 weekdays, much higher special event days, there ought to be some wiggle room between 20,000 seats and 900 dontcha think. the walking ring is a joke, its way too small and tight with no grass and trees. The seats going around the walking ring have too little space between the rows, so good luck with the elderly getting in and out. The sun also beats down on you there, they could use some awnings there, all around, to cover those seated .

In summary, there is no " Park " in Gulfstream Park.

I think all we are saying is that they went way too far the other way, in deemphasizing their product, horse racing, in favor of building a multi purpose entertainment facility. You want vegas style glitz, you got it, you want to go racing, go to tampa , where they have not lost site of their business and their fans. Is it any wonder that tampa's business increased significantly at Gulfstreams expense ? Hardly ! They know who their customers are and care about them, something which Magna fails miserably at, while vowing that they are the new paradigm.