I want to meet the person that would pay this

His breeding isnt bad. Who knows how his off-spring will do on the track. Maybe talent skipped him, but maybe he can pass it on to his babies. He has a little too much inbreeding for me but who doesnt these days. He did sell for $310k so who knows. But I wouldnt pay $12,500 for him.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by Scav

Is that horse even a stakes winner? I didn't even see that in the article......

Superfly's claim to fame is that he ran 2nd to discreet cat LMAO

[largo1]

Agree with eurobounce. I wouldn't pay 12,500 either, but I don't think the price is *all* that ridiculous, based on the current ridiculous market. His pedigree isn't bad at all. Had 24 starts, most of them graded stakes. Did he retire sound? I don't remember hearing about any soundness issues with him.(I really don't remember) At least he showed up to most of the big dances. Wasn't ever the best dancer, but he was consistent. (sure, mostly consistently, uh.....slow, but he did grab some paychecks here and there)

Give him a break, you guys!
Suzanne

Originally Posted by largo1

Agree with eurobounce. I wouldn't pay 12,500 either, but I don't think the price is *all* that ridiculous, based on the current ridiculous market. His pedigree isn't bad at all. Had 24 starts, most of them graded stakes. Did he retire sound? I don't remember hearing about any soundness issues with him.(I really don't remember) At least he showed up to most of the big dances. Wasn't ever the best dancer, but he was consistent. (sure, mostly consistently, uh.....slow, but he did grab some paychecks here and there)

Give him a break, you guys!
Suzanne

Suzanne give him a break about what?
He had no speed, and 12,500 is still one hell of a lot of money.
He's the kinda horse who may have done well in a niche market, not in Ky at 12,500.
He'll end up in a niche market at 3500 or 5000 in a few years, but only after hes wasted 2-3 years languishing at a ridiculous price in KY.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

He's the kinda horse who may have done well in a niche market, not in Ky at 12,500.
He'll end up in a niche market at 3500 or 5000 in a few years, but only after hes wasted 2-3 years languishing at a ridiculous price in KY.

agree with this completely...if they start him @ 7,500 he might do OK but he's gonna stand around and get fat @ 12,500...should have sent him to a regional market where he can be a big fish....cause like you said he's bound to end up there sooner or later anyway.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

agree with this completely...if they start him @ 7,500 he might do OK but he's gonna stand around and get fat @ 12,500...should have sent him to a regional market where he can be a big fish....cause like you said he's bound to end up there sooner or later anyway.

The NY breeding market has so much potential but the same folks have been "running it" for years and its a shame.
Ny needs one of the players with REAL money from Kentucky to set up a satellite breeding operation in NY. There is plenty of farmland available in NY, and the breeding program is great. If one of the Kentucky operations were to set up a satellite program in NY, they could shuffle up some stallions who arent quite making it the way they expected them to, but that they don't want to sell and give up on.
Noone involved in the NY breeding program up here seems to understand this. They just hired a new guy(whose main qualification appears to be that his Dad was a big player, Dragone) and before that Dennis Brida ran the thing(LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I'm the cult of personality).

I mean, how difficult could it be to approach one of the major players down there, and ask them about interest in setting up a satellite farm up here?
They don't wanna do that because there are only 2-3 players up here and they don't wanna disrupt their little monopoly.

I think we might be a little surprised by the off-spring of AH - assuming his gets some half way decent mares to breed to. But we won't know the effects of this until his babies start going to auction or if his book doesnt fill. I think it will be a good 3-5 years before it can be determined if $12,500 is a good rate.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

My favorite part is that the article lists him as a full to Superfly.


Superfly?


Superfly?




LMFAO!!!!!!!

Would anyone consider a claim if Zito entered him in a 20k claimer?

Euro,
People don't just pay for blood anymore. A horse like Bandini is standing for 17,500 and he won a grade one, had speed, and won some more decent races.
Who wouldn't just pay the extra 5 grand and I think THATS a lotta money for Bandini.
So many sires get wasted because they attempt to stand in Kentucky. Kentucky has so many sires that people wanna go to, that smaller stallions get lost in the shuffle and end up with a lousy book of mares.
Many bigger operations wil attempt to make a sire like this but they have a big advantage. First of all they have an abundance of good mares that they can breed the horse to in order to support him, and often they will use the big names to get people to breed to the sire they are trying to make.
What I mean by this is lets say Joe Schmoe calls up and submits three mares to try and go to a big stallion. Stallion manager may call back and say we can approve this one, and the other two arent good enough but if you breed one of these two to "so and so" our new stallion then we can approve the other one to the big stallion.
Thats how it works very often.
Making a stallion is an art that requires luck, marketing, and an abundance of good mares of your own or clients you can require to breed to one in exchange for acess to another stallion. You'll also notice that the bigger operations keep many of the foals of the initial three crops to race themselves that they don't try and sell. They have big name trainers they send these horses to in order to try and get wins with them in the first three crops.
Just buying stallions and standing them for a price doesn't work, it simply doesnt.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Would anyone consider a claim if Zito entered him in a 20k claimer?

Lets not get ridiculous now.

By the way Euro, many here scoffed at First Samurai's price when it was announced.
Lansdon told me on Monday that hes already fully booked to over 100 mares and the seasons are selling in the open market at well above the stud fee.
Hes gonna have a real chance to make it. Between the Claiborne mares and the fact that hes already booked so they could pick and choose who was allowed to go to him instead of having to hustle to fill the book, hes gonna have every opportunity to make it in a big way.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You think they'll bring that much?!!!

Yes, I actually do... he's by FuPig.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Scav

He'll get more then 10 because their will be some people trying to squeeze every drop of the Mr. Prospector line out of him.......

I agree, Scav...

I don't think he's worth the $12,500, but there have been plenty of supposed "failures" on the track that have gone on to become nice sires. JMO...

(By the way, I don't like FuPeg, so there would be NO interest in AH for me.)

Originally Posted by oracle80

By the way Euro, many here scoffed at First Samurai's price when it was announced.
Lansdon told me on Monday that hes already fully booked to over 100 mares and the seasons are selling in the open market at well above the stud fee.
Hes gonna have a real chance to make it. Between the Claiborne mares and the fact that hes already booked so they could pick and choose who was allowed to go to him instead of having to hustle to fill the book, hes gonna have every opportunity to make it in a big way.

What is FS fee? Also, who else does this farm that has AH have? I understand what you are saying and I agree. I guess I am trying to find a silver lining in this $12,500 price.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What is FS fee? Also, who else does this farm that has AH have? I understand what you are saying and I agree. I guess I am trying to find a silver lining in this $12,500 price.

FS is 40 K

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What is FS fee? Also, who else does this farm that has AH have? I understand what you are saying and I agree. I guess I am trying to find a silver lining in this $12,500 price.

They also stand Richter Scale. Andromeda's Hero is FuPeg's 2nd highest earner. Roman Ruler was 1st, obviously. This is JMO, but I think that AH will get better runners than Bandini... we'll have to wait and see.

First Samurai stands for $40k.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

They also stand Richter Scale. Andromeda's Hero is FuPeg's 2nd highest earner. Roman Ruler was 1st, obviously. This is JMO, but I think that AH will get better runners than Bandini... we'll have to wait and see.

First Samurai stands for $40k.

I agree with Cajun. I think AH will be a nice sire. However, it is hard to justify is $12,500 based on what he did on the track. But I think he will do very well.

[SniperSB23]

This thread kind of shows how obsessed the game is with speed and unconcerned with soundness. This is a well bred horse that ran for 3 straight years racing in the biggest races out there without an injury which is becoming an extreme rarity in this sport. He may be slow but just by staying sound he made more money in his career than 99% of the horses out there will. In the long run I think we'll be better of with more Andromeda's Heros in the bloodlines than Sharp Humors.

[Cajungator26]

Off topic with AH, but did everyone read this as well?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...68144&subsec=6

Gibson County is a nice looking horse! I didn't realize they had planned on gelding him...

[Buffymommy]

I do think the price is high. If I had a very speedy mare, maybe but not for that price.