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Old 10-10-2006, 12:11 PM
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:16 PM
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I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.
Pulpiteer was blocked with nowhere to go.
lets get back to Gomez' ride, although I'm sure you would rather not and already have seen it.
Wanted no part of the pace huh? Funny that she stalked the pac in her debut when HE RODE HER!! and she rolled. Last time out at Calder she was trapped on a very dead rail and cut a wicked 1/4.
The pace yesterday was moderate with a freerunning loose horse. he had perfect position and for no reason in a 6F race decided to stand up and wrangle her back, and then forced to go very wide. Why do you figure this mental midget decided that a horse with a tactical speed edge on the filed who had broken sharply and had assumed perfect position needed to do that?
Get back to me when you have any idea, because I sure as hell don't.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:19 PM
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I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.
"measured"? "chalk"? The winner was slightly favored and life and death to hold on after a perfect trip while the runnerup was wrangled, checked, and swung 4 wide against her preferred runnning style. Do you honestly think she wasn't tons the best? If she was beatn 3 lengths than maybe I say she wasn't best, but please. It was one of the dumbest rides I ever saw, and you just haveto shake yourhead when he pulls those incedibly stupid moves. Hes still got some Jekyll and Hyde in him.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:25 PM
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I don't know how he or anyone thinks, do you? Possible the trainer wanted to be off the pace? I don't know, but I just find it humorous that you can pick that ride apart, but no mention of Pulpiteer. The Pulpiteer ride was AWFUL. But not too much said about it. Gotta be consistent. I tend to think that had Gomez been on the horse we would have read a few long winded posts about the ride. Look, I just think it gets tiresome. The guy can't be as bad as you make him, and every move he makes you pick apart. little to no mention of any other jockey.
I haven't bashed one of hs rides since Milwaukee and Fourtynine below at the Spa. If you really wanna be precise.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:29 PM
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Gomez gives many more good rides than bad rides, and is a top rider, but his ride on the Violette horse in yesterday's third was comical at best and suspect at worst. I would like to think the stewards called him infor that atrocity though I'm sure they didn't even notice.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:30 PM
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It is just amusing. A mere sentence for the horror trip that was Pulpiteer's last race, and how many posts have you made about Gomez? Where was the Pulpiteer thread? Oh wait it was Prado, so none.
Prado, who I have always loved, has developed a dangerous fascination with the rail, on the turf especially, and it has cost him more than a few times.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:31 PM
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Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:32 PM
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One of the dumbest you've ever seen? Come on, ever seen? My point is you never criticize anyone other than him. There has to be other jocks giving "bad" rides. Where is the criticism of them?
Hoss,
I see lots of dumb rides, but most by jocks not worth mentioning because you expect them to give their share of them.
I'm not the only one who notices the vaporlock his brain experiences at times.
You didn't hear me picking apart Happy Ticket and I explained why.
This guy is real unique. Hes considered upper echelon and of the few guys in the upper echelon none comes close to occasionally giving mindboggling stupid rides like he does.
Again, I'm not painting him out to be awful on a whole, but if you are still trying to deflect away from my point about that ride, and even worse attempting to defend it, than I would suggest that its you, not I, who is biased.
Lots of sharp race watchers on this board, and i haven't spoken to anyone about that ride off the board. I'm willing to bet that anyone who chimes in about that ride who saw it, will paint it in a much more negative way than you have. It was an abomination.
Its frustrating not ever knowing when hes gonna take a mental vacation. That ride was indeed just horrendous. And anyone who handicapped the race and saw the race will say the same thing.
Criticizing certain rides, is not a total condemnation of a jockey as a whole. But hes definitely most prone to complete disasters that come out of nowhere.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:36 PM
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Gomez gives many more good rides than bad rides, and is a top rider, but his ride on the Violette horse in yesterday's third was comical at best and suspect at worst. I would like to think the stewards called him infor that atrocity though I'm sure they didn't even notice.
Thank You. I wanted to ask if you had seen it and figured you had.
I haven't seen such a disgrace in a long time. And the stewards should definitely have a chat with him about his intentions. It was either a stiff or incredibly stupid, even beyond that.
No way could anyone have done what he did ON PURPOSE without just being completely clueless, or very much with a clue.
Ok Da Hoss? I'm not picking on him here, it was that bad and your failure tonote this tells me you are either president of his fan club or didnt actually see the race. It was embarssing to watch, it was THAT bad.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:37 PM
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Can you define extremely inconsistent? How is he extremely inconsistent?
IMO, he's either riding fantastic or he's riding like horseshiat. When he's on, he's spectacular, but when he's off... watch out. JMO.

I tend to agree with Mike on Gomez for the most part, although I don't normally rant about it to the extent that he does. I've got nothing against the guy, but I do see a lot of inconsistency in his rides.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:37 PM
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Can you define extremely inconsistent? How is he extremely inconsistent?
So you figure that Blackthroat and I had the same exact conclusion about the race, even though we certainly haven't chatted about it anywhere, and that we both drew the same conclusion two hundred miles apart while watching the same race and consider my gripe unreasonable?
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:39 PM
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IMO, he's either riding fantastic or he's riding like horseshiat. When he's on, he's spectacular, but when he's off... watch out. JMO.

I tend to agree with Mike on Gomez for the most part, although I don't normally rant about it to the extent that he does. I've got nothing against the guy, but I do see a lot of inconsistency in his rides.
Pull up the replay on the Belmont third cajun. It should be on www.nybreds.com. Click on Crosstown Traffic which is in blue when the site comes up. Then sit back and enjoy one of the worst things you ever saw.
It was absolutely one of the dumbest rides(i'd like to think it was just dumb, not intentional) that you ever saw in your life.

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Old 10-10-2006, 12:41 PM
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Thats fine, I will agree he gives his fair share of bad ones, but I think there are many out there who do it as well. I understand your point of him being in the upper echelon, and it is well made. His ride on Aussie rules was very good, and the day before he rode a Clement horse whose name escapes me equally as well. I just think that the guy certainly gives more good than bad and horses run for the guy. Your points are well taken, and I didn't want to get into a big thing with you. I just think sometimes the guy gets a bad rap, when many riders are forgotten in terms of their mental lapses.
No way does anyone in the upper echelon ever do something like he did yesterday, never. That was absolutely inexcusable and he should be called in. Did you really see the race?
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:46 PM
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http://www.racereplays.com/nybreds/i...cename=monday1

Watch this, you just have to. hes on the three, a horse who has won stalking the pace and who posesses more early speed than anyone in the race. Note him breaking to the lead, and then taking a hard hold for no reason, and then continuing to stand up in the saddle and keep wrangling her back until shes last, behind a 23:1 1/4 mile, and then being forced to go real wide and get beat a neck.


Enjoy the comedy, tragedy if you bet or own or train her.

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Old 10-10-2006, 12:47 PM
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Yes like I said I have seen it a number of times. Look, I have no desire to get into a big thing here, there's no point. It's just going to get going on a ridiculous tangent so I will agree his ride was bad.
Only bad????
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:51 PM
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Ok it was the worst ride ever. Happy? Second worst ever was Prado's on Pulpiteer.
Thats fair
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:53 PM
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He has to be winning at like a .02% clip on favorites. It makes no sense at all.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:55 PM
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It's because he gives the worst rides ever, including the all time worst, the link to it is above, take a look.
I did. That ride makes me think he's having someone book for him.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:55 PM
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He has to be winning at like a .02% clip on favorites. It makes no sense at all.
Ah the Devil's advocate.
The topic is not his riding in general which is good.
Did you see the ride in question? Did you have the DRF so as to base your comments on the ride in an informed manner.
Something tells me you haven't, hence the need for a general comment in response rather than addressing that specific ride.
Link to the replay is posted above, please watch it and tell me what you see. having the pp's so you know about the horses in the race and their running style would help as well. I can email you those if need be.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:57 PM
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I did. That ride makes me think he's having someone book for him.
Pillow I'd like to think it was just incredibly stupid judgement, but that thought crossed my mind as well.
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