Dead Rail on Kentucky Oaks day?

[Calzone Lord]

Apparently Thoro-Graph believes so. They are dishing out the X symbol (meaning raced on dead rail) for all horses who raced primarily inside on Kentucky Oaks day.

Authenticity (5/1 winner of the La Troienne Stakes) was the only horse on the card to win despite getting the X symbol.

No second place finisher got the X symbol.

Midnight Lucky (5th by 9 lengths) and Silsita (10th by 43 lengths) were the only two Kentucky Oaks horses who got the symbol.

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Apparently Thoro-Graph believes so. They are dishing out the X symbol (meaning raced on dead rail) for all horses who raced primarily inside on Kentucky Oaks day.

Authenticity (5/1 winner of the La Troienne Stakes) was the only horse on the card to win despite getting the X symbol.

No second place finisher got the X symbol.

Midnight Lucky (5th by 9 lengths) and Silsita (10th by 43 lengths) were the only two Kentucky Oaks horses who got the symbol.

Donna Barton disagrees with this completely, she tested the track herself.

[Calzone Lord]

Remember Super Saver's year?

Everything that day either won from right on top of the rail or extremely wide.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Donna Barton disagrees with this completely, she tested the track herself.

I know you are trying to be funny, but she tested it on Saturday, not Friday.

[Calzone Lord]

Maybe I am that gullible for thinking there might be a little something to that, on sloppy racetracks. And after her little demo on tv it fed my gullibility. I don't know.

Michael Dickinson always believed in that stuff and he had an excellent training record.

He also asked the lady who runs the clubhouse restaurant at PID what her favorite kind of tree is. She told me "that is one odd, odd guy. No one has ever asked me what my favorite kind of tree is"

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Maybe I am that gullible for thinking there might be a little something to that, on sloppy racetracks. And after her little demo on tv it fed my gullibility. I don't know.

Michael Dickinson always believed in that stuff and he had an excellent training record.

He also asked the lady who runs the clubhouse restaurant at PID what her favorite kind of tree is. She told me "that is one odd, odd guy. No one has ever asked me what my favorite kind of tree is"

I don't think you're gullible at all. I saw the piece she did and happen to agree with you.

We try and figure out when there are dead rails or vice versa all the time, based on what our eyes tell us. You had someone actually on the track showing you where the footing is better. Good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Maybe I am that gullible for thinking there might be a little something to that, on sloppy racetracks. And after her little demo on tv it fed my gullibility. I don't know.

Michael Dickinson always believed in that stuff and he had an excellent training record.

He also asked the lady who runs the clubhouse restaurant at PID what her favorite kind of tree is. She told me "that is one odd, odd guy. No one has ever asked me what my favorite kind of tree is"

If a trainer really cared to see if that theory had any validity they could core sample the track, replicate a few conditions, add the loads to the sample and see what happens as you go down the core sample. That muddy stuff on top aint going to do much at a track like Churchill in terms for energy used IMO because most horses are impacting the compacted dirt below the top layer whether its wet or dry. It would take a track that was very deep, had a really crappy surface, that's hardly Churchill.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

If a trainer really cared to see if that theory had any validity they could core sample the track, replicate a few conditions, add the loads to the sample and see what happens as you go down the core sample. That muddy stuff on top aint going to do much at a track like Churchill in terms for energy used IMO because most horses are impacting the compacted dirt below the top layer whether its wet or dry. It would take a track that was very deep, had a really crappy surface, that's hardly Churchill.

So when they are sealing it trying to get as much moisture out as possible, you don't think it's at least possible it leaves one area firmer than the other?

You do believe in dead rails and rails that are golden right? How do you think that happens? What about courses that when wet carry speed, like Belmont in the early part of yesterday?

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

I know you are trying to be funny, but she tested it on Saturday, not Friday.

ok, my point was I think its silly rain or shine.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Apparently Thoro-Graph believes so. They are dishing out the X symbol (meaning raced on dead rail) for all horses who raced primarily inside on Kentucky Oaks day.

Authenticity (5/1 winner of the La Troienne Stakes) was the only horse on the card to win despite getting the X symbol.

No second place finisher got the X symbol.

Midnight Lucky (5th by 9 lengths) and Silsita (10th by 43 lengths) were the only two Kentucky Oaks horses who got the symbol.

I've never used Thoro-graphs so this may come off as a silly question, but what is the difference in the numbers that Princess and Beholder received?

I didn't see or even knew Beholder fell until I got home from the race and saw this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCt9d...ature=youtu.be I really didn't expect the race she ran on Friday from her.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I've never used Thoro-graphs so this may come off as a silly question, but what is the difference in the numbers that Princess and Beholder received?

I didn't see or even knew Beholder fell until I got home from the race and saw this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCt9d...ature=youtu.be I really didn't expect the race she ran on Friday from her.

After watching that short clip of Beholder falling before the race then watching the replay of the race I'd be inclined to have a animal chiropractor adjust this filly. Her sensory panel seems out of whack also and someone mentioned they treat her condition with ear-plugs.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by tabs

After watching that short clip of Beholder falling before the race then watching the replay of the race I'd be inclined to have a animal chiropractor adjust this filly. Her sensory panel seems out of whack also and someone mentioned they treat her condition with ear-plugs.

You determined she needs a chiropractor and her sensory panel is out of whack from a 15 second video where she got spooked?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You determined she needs a chiropractor and her sensory panel is out of whack from a 15 second video where she got spooked?

Yeah I think so. The horse isn't balanced, watch her hind-end collapse like it did. I think if you spoke with her groom/trainer they might describe her as anxious, immature and a horse that takes time to get things. We're talking racehorses here so it's a matter of degrees.

Animals communicate things all the time. Why do you act so shocked?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by tabs

Yeah I think so. The horse isn't balanced, watch her hind-end collapse like it did. I think if you spoke with her groom/trainer they might describe her as anxious, immature and a horse that takes time to get things. We're talking racehorses here so it's a matter of degrees.

Animals communicate things all the time. Why do you act so shocked?

I'm not going to play horse whisperer or pretend I know how she is because of a 15 second clip. You can, but I'm not interested in doing so. Of course she is anxious, they mention in the clip she is sensitive to noise.

I guess I found the fact you thought Donna Barton was irresponsible for walking the track and having an opinion odd....yet you are watching a 15 second clip and diagnosing a horses condition from your computer screen.