OUTRAGUS government overreach by FDA!

[dellinger63]

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View Post 03-24-2012, 09:05 PM
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[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This statement smacks of Santorum-esque "In my heart I know this is true" -ism. Please give some sources to back up the assertion that superbugs are solely due to parental overuse of antibiotics on their children.

The use of antibiotics in food animals became necessary as more and more animals were jammed into smaller and smaller areas. If herd immunity worked the way you seem to think it does, factory farm animals should be healthier than free-range animals, not the other way around.

But I look forward to your sources, as I am always interested in learning something new.

The decision that it is cheaper and simpler to treat the herd vs. treating the animal is what has gone wrong in farms. The thought that these treatments would trickle all the way through and have an effect on humans is what I questioned.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antibiotics/FL00075

http://www.marinmedicalsociety.org/m...?articleid=507

My wife is a research biologist in pharmaceuticals and despite the evil that goes along with such a post, this is pretty common knowledge in the research community, along with those that opt out of vaccines. She did her dissertation on this specific problem along with her thesis on the effect on ruminants in particular. I was studying human digestion at the same time in anatomy and was surprised to learn how similar the parts were, hence my interest in what she was up to.

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Originally Posted by Riot

It won't happen. It's a ridiculous statement with zero basis in physiologic reality.

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

you're barking up the wrong tree. people with large egos are never wrong. even though the title says 'outragus' we're just reading it wrong. it's certainly not spelled incorrectly. but when you're an ultra-intelligent scientist, spelling is for mere mortals i guess.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

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welcome to the club, altho she'll never believe it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

don't question Riot. She's a scientist.

Ridiculus Thread

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Ridiculus Thread

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Proof that you know absolutely nothing.
Overuse of antibiotics and over treatment of people do not have an effect on the target long term?
I am amazed.

No. It's misuse of antibiotics, not overuse. The know-nothing isn't on this side of the keyboard. Small but important technicality the google-experts here fail to comprehend (you might read the articles you post)

You look ridiculous in your ignorance.

And laughably, you say this occurs in humans with a simple stomach, but in the same thread you deny the same can happen in a cow simply because they are a ruminant.

It's clear you don't have any knowledge of pharmacology and physiology other than dinner-table conversation.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're barking up the wrong tree. people with large egos are never wrong. even though the title says 'outragus' we're just reading it wrong. it's certainly not spelled incorrectly. but when you're an ultra-intelligent scientist, spelling is for mere mortals i guess.

^^^^ completely unable to comprehend the snark that is the origin of this thread

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The decision that it is cheaper and simpler to treat the herd vs. treating the animal is what has gone wrong in farms. The thought that these treatments would trickle all the way through and have an effect on humans is what I questioned.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antibiotics/FL00075

http://www.marinmedicalsociety.org/m...?articleid=507

My wife is a research biologist in pharmaceuticals and despite the evil that goes along with such a post, this is pretty common knowledge in the research community, along with those that opt out of vaccines. She did her dissertation on this specific problem along with her thesis on the effect on ruminants in particular. I was studying human digestion at the same time in anatomy and was surprised to learn how similar the parts were, hence my interest in what she was up to.

Your original statement, though, was that the rise in superbugs was entirely due to overprescription by pediatricians to children, because their parents demanded it. That's what I was challenging. I don't disagree that overuse and misuse are a problem; I just think the blame falls more on adult misuse, both here and overseas (where there is a real lack of regulation) than on pediatricians and demanding parents. Mind you, I'm a sample size of one, but my toddler's totally awesome doc won't prescribe unless necessary. He just got through a bout with hand foot mouth disease and treatment was Motrin and popsicles.

For what it's worth, misuse in livestock is also considered a cause:

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/0...l-antibiotics/

And it's not just a case of it's in what you consume from the animal; the antibiotics also end up in our soil and water supply because they're excreted in the animal waste and many states don't exactly have strong regulations about the disposal of the massive amounts of waste the factory farms produce.

Thanks also for posting a link to an article on the importance of vaccination. The anti-vax movement seems to be one of the few where one can genuinely say, "both sides do it" as I know both libs and cons who have no problem taking health care advice from a former Playboy Playmate.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Your original statement, though, was that the rise in superbugs was entirely due to overprescription by pediatricians to children, because their parents demanded it.

Which is indeed a silly statement, with zero basis in physiology.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

don't question Riot. She's a scientist.

I have the advanced educational degrees and licenses that proves I have the expertise.

You have nothing but snark. Good luck with that.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity. It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.
You are a vet, how long does an orally ingested antibiotic remain in the intramuscular system of a cow?

Please show me the use of the words solely or entirely as I stand accused. Please continue to argue the way you always do and prove everyone correct.

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Originally Posted by Riot

No. It's misuse of antibiotics, not overuse. The know-nothing isn't on this side of the keyboard. Small but important technicality the google-experts here fail to comprehend (you might read the articles you post)

You look ridiculous in your ignorance.

And laughably, you say this occurs in humans with a simple stomach, but in the same thread you deny the same can happen in a cow simply because they are a ruminant.

It's clear you don't have any knowledge of pharmacology and physiology other than dinner-table conversation.

Is over prescription a misuse?

Never mind, asking a question of you and expecting an answer is a complete fkn waste of time.

Where do I say that ruminants are immune? Your reading comprehension and insertion of thoughts and theories into other peoples posts is hilarious.
You are a fool.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Your original statement, though, was that the rise in superbugs was entirely due to overprescription by pediatricians to children, because their parents demanded it. That's what I was challenging. I don't disagree that overuse and misuse are a problem; I just think the blame falls more on adult misuse, both here and overseas (where there is a real lack of regulation) than on pediatricians and demanding parents. Mind you, I'm a sample size of one, but my toddler's totally awesome doc won't prescribe unless necessary. He just got through a bout with hand foot mouth disease and treatment was Motrin and popsicles.

For what it's worth, misuse in livestock is also considered a cause:

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/0...l-antibiotics/

And it's not just a case of it's in what you consume from the animal; the antibiotics also end up in our soil and water supply because they're excreted in the animal waste and many states don't exactly have strong regulations about the disposal of the massive amounts of waste the factory farms produce.

Thanks also for posting a link to an article on the importance of vaccination. The anti-vax movement seems to be one of the few where one can genuinely say, "both sides do it" as I know both libs and cons who have no problem taking health care advice from a former Playboy Playmate.

Despite never using the word entirely, nothing in medicine has any singular root cause that can be explained away so easily, I know doc's that repeatedly claim that patients do come in and 'demand' to be given anti, no matter what. It is nice to hear you have a logical Dr. that actually does their work. Interesting theory on the waste disposal, had not thought of that...
I do miss Jenny and all her nonsense during the vax terror years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Please show me the use of the words solely or entirely as I stand accused. Please continue to argue the way you always do and prove everyone correct.

Stop speaking as an expert on medical things of which you are obviously uneducated.

The creation of superbugs is due to parents racing their kids to the Dr. every time they sneeze and accepting (read demanding) antibiotics for them. They have all but eliminated normal herd immunity.
It isn't because of digested antibiotics that are remaining in food that has been slaughtered, bled, aged (chem or other) then cooked.

Please - based upon the above sound bites of ignorance, don't give medical advice. Your superficial and shallow 4th-grade-level, newspaper-article understanding of pharmacology, physiology and medicine is apparent.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Is over prescription a misuse?

Never mind, asking a question of you and expecting an answer is a complete fkn waste of time.

Yes, get mad, curse at me, blame me, and walk away feeling self-rightous.

Just stop posting ridiculous medical comments as if they had some remote basis in reality.

[Clip-Clop]

This is OUTRAGUS!!!
How dare you question my knowledge, you know nothing of my education or background.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, get mad, curse at me, blame me, and walk away feeling self-rightous.

Just stop posting ridiculous medical comments as if they had some remote basis in reality.

And you continue the age old method of never answering a question, keeps everyone entertained and laughing at you.
I will stop posting links from respected sources that prove my points and my complete lack of knowledge.