Discreet Cat to stay in US

Discreet Cat will not run in the Classic. I truly believe he wont even run in any Breeders Cup races. As far as who is better between Discreet Cat and Bernardini...well we will probably never know. Frankly, I really do not care. Both horses are truly special and very talented. I wish they would race each other, but I dont think we will see that. We may see it in the Dubai World cup--but I doubt it. I think that Discreet Cat is the best miler in the world. There are some races for him in the US at 1 mile where I think he should go.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

I think Discreet Cat is fragile. I cant see them running him in the Classic off a 7F and then an 8F race. The Cigar Mile and the Dubai race are clearly their target. I doubt the Classic means that much to them. Bernardini is going to be retired at the end of the year. He is going to be their sire that puts them in the KY Derby picture for the next decade. A Classic win for him would mean more.

The Sheik treats all his horses like that if you know there background in there country the horses get to eat before the humans do. So pressing them too soon they have nothing to gain they are not money hungery like most private US owners. Discreet Cat is probally worth 7 - 10 mill I would give him all the time in the world. 1 tick off the track record in hand, 1 start off the layoff he is just a monster and you know when godolphin brings him to the paddock he is ready to run

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think it is very likely that they would send DC out west. They know that the tracks in Southern California are rock-hard and very dangerous. I don't think they would take a chance and run him out west. They don't like to run their good horses out west.

I am with you on that one I can't remember the last time I seen a godophin runner in Cali with out the BC going on

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love how the "he beat nothing" crowd never decides to chime in until after a race is run.. Before the Preakness, I never heard anybody calling Brother Derek or Sweetnorthernsaint "nothing." Before the Jim Dandy, I never heard anybody calling Minister's Bid, Dr. Pleasure, Sunriver, etc. "nothing." It's always after the race that these horses suddenly become nothing. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that could be..

Could it possibly be that Bernardini just makes them look like nothing? No, that couldn't be it. He's just lucky he runs into a whole bunch of horses, who, upon postrace inspection, are nothing.

More to the point, this is a tremendous 3-year-old class. Anyone who disagrees must have slept through the last four TC seasons. And Bernardini and Discreet Cat happen to be the two best 3-year-olds in a LONG time.. Who's better? I honestly can't say. Bernardini has accomplished more, but when I saw DC's comeback race in person, my jaw hit the ground.. There's no telling how good this horse is.

The bottom line is these are two OUTSTANDING horses and nobody can seem to enjoy it. Everyone wants to get caught up in who's better than who or who beat what.. Man, let it go. They're both otherworldly talent-wise..

Awesome post.

[jpops757]

To knock either one is folly. They both have established thereselves. The question for me is If they opposed each other, would they be coupled?

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

I am with you on that one I can't remember the last time I seen a godophin runner in Cali with out the BC going on

I am not certain, but I thought Harty had Essence of Dubai in California when he was a young horse. I agree that it is unlikely we shall see a Godolphin horse there any time soon.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love how the "he beat nothing" crowd never decides to chime in until after a race is run.. Before the Preakness, I never heard anybody calling Brother Derek or Sweetnorthernsaint "nothing." Before the Jim Dandy, I never heard anybody calling Minister's Bid, Dr. Pleasure, Sunriver, etc. "nothing." It's always after the race that these horses suddenly become nothing. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that could be..

Could it possibly be that Bernardini just makes them look like nothing? No, that couldn't be it. He's just lucky he runs into a whole bunch of horses, who, upon postrace inspection, are nothing.

More to the point, this is a tremendous 3-year-old class. Anyone who disagrees must have slept through the last four TC seasons. And Bernardini and Discreet Cat happen to be the two best 3-year-olds in a LONG time.. Who's better? I honestly can't say. Bernardini has accomplished more, but when I saw DC's comeback race in person, my jaw hit the ground.. There's no telling how good this horse is.

The <a href="bottom%20line" onmouseover="window.status='bottom line'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">bottom line</a> is these are two OUTSTANDING horses and nobody can seem to enjoy it. Everyone wants to get caught up in who's better than who or who beat what.. Man, let it go. They're both otherworldly talent-wise..

Great post, and I agree. Barbaro beat some of the same horses and he's one of the greatest ever, but when Bernardini does it, he's lucky? There will be no asteriks in the history books for the Preakness or any of his other races, so history will be kinder to Bernardini than some fans have been.

By the way, I'm not saying DC might not be as good or better than Bernardini -he might or might not be (because as much room as DC has to improve, Bernardini has as much or more). But maybe Bernardini would blow DC's doors off or maybe there is not much between them. I really don't think they will ever face each other.......Let's just hope the both race next year and we can watch them do some spectacular things. Talents like these don't come around very often. Again, great post, Ateam!

[Pedigree Ann]

Discreet Cat has never run around two turns (one-turn 9f in Dubai) and the Breeders' Cup would be a bad place to try it for the first time. Bernardini is for this year and Discreet Cat is (if they can keep him together) for next year.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I think that Discreet Cat is the only horse in the U.S. that could stand a chance against Bernardini. I really love both of these horses, and don't know which one is the better of the two. With that being said, as fragile at DC is, I think it would not be a wise choice to run him in the Classic this year. I would much rather see him in the sprint. I think that they should save DC for the Classic division next year. I just don't think he is going to be ready to go 1 1/4 after two races at a mile or less. I would have rather seen him have a 1 1/8 mile race instead of the Jerome. It would make me feel a little better if they do run him in the Classic. As fragile as he is, running him in the Classic may be just a step too far. I want to see this horse around for awhile. I really don't think he will have a problem going the 1 1/4 miles though.

I just got the sad news about Electrocutionist because I have been a horse show all weekend. That is so sad. We've all taken a hard hit this year with deaths and injuries. I really loved this horse. He was a good one. May he rest in peace.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Discreet Cat has never run around two turns (one-turn 9f in Dubai) and the Breeders' Cup would be a bad place to try it for the first time. Bernardini is for this year and Discreet Cat is (if they can keep him together) for next year.

What proof do we have that Bernardini isn't it for next year ,either? The Sheikh seems awfully proud of him (as with all homebreds) and is having a grand old time hearing about his wins(his son certainly got a kick out of watching him in the Travers) .......Being a sportsman, he'd want to watch his own homebred horse become truly great, wouldn't you think? I'm not saying Bernardini won't be retired, but I also don't see it as being anything close to a sure thing.