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[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I hate abuse of women and children more than anything. You obviously are able to look the other way. If a man can't respect his own daughter how is he expected to respect anything other than his own self-interests? Ignoring the problem will not make it go away and in fact perpetuates it making it seem valid.

I hate haters more than anything.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I hate haters more than anything.

and that's why many think of you as odd, including me.

I'd much rather have someone hate my mother or nieces rather than abuse them. But then again that's me. You have the right to hate haters more than abusers, demented as that might be.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and that's why many think of you as odd, including me.

I'd much rather have someone hate my mother or nieces rather than abuse them. But then again that's me. You have the right to hate haters more than abusers demented as that might be.

Whoooooosh .......

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and that's why many think of you as odd, including me.

I'd much rather have someone hate my mother or nieces rather than abuse them. But then again that's me. You have the right to hate haters more than abusers, demented as that might be.

Dell, hatred leads to dehumanization, I also find anyone that abuses anyone disgusting, and women and children have traditionally been easy targets for haters/abusers. Abusers are nothing more than a subset of haters so if one hates haters it stands to reason they hate all haters including abusers. If one truly respects all folks, they don't hate and they don't abuse others.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Dell, hatred leads to dehumanization, I also find anyone that abuses anyone disgusting, and women and children have traditionally been easy targets for haters/abusers. Abusers are nothing more than a subset of haters so if one hates haters it stands to reason they hate all haters including abusers. If one truly respects all folks, they don't hate and they don't abuse others.

If the abuser is the father and he acts out of honor instead of hate, all is good? Did Casey Anthony hate her daughter? If she did't is it less of a crime? Should hate be more serious charge than murder?

After all you defended Riot's opinion that hate is worse than abuse.

Almost as abstract and out of touch as hope and change.

U two are/were made for each other.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If the abuser is the father and he acts out of honor instead of hate, all is good? Did Casey Anthony hate her daughter? If she did't is it less of a crime? Should hate be more serious charge than murder?

After all you defended Riot's opinion that hate is worse than abuse.

Almost as abstract and out of touch as hope and change.

U two are/were made for each other.

Sorry Dell....Can you not link something to your President?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If the abuser is the father and he acts out of honor instead of hate, all is good? Did Casey Anthony hate her daughter? If she did't is it less of a crime? Should hate be more serious charge than murder?

After all you defended Riot's opinion that hate is worse than abuse.

Almost as abstract and out of touch as hope and change.

U two are/were made for each other.

what in the wide, wide world of sports does your post have to do with somer's above?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If the abuser is the father and he acts out of honor instead of hate, all is good? Did Casey Anthony hate her daughter? If she did't is it less of a crime? Should hate be more serious charge than murder?

After all you defended Riot's opinion that hate is worse than abuse.

Almost as abstract and out of touch as hope and change.

U two are/were made for each other.

Your ability to read and digest concepts is rather limited isn't it? I never quantified in terms of "worse", I simply stated that hatred and abuse are interconnected with abusers being a subset of haters. A father who abuses his daughter dehumanizes her to do same, you cannot love and respect someone and abuse them...there are sick folks who may claim that they abused/murdered someone because they loved them but that is the workings of a deviate mind and has nothing to do with reality. "Honor" is not a reason to do evil, merely an excuse demonstrating once more dehumanization of the victim. Folks can throw around all sorts of rationale as to why they harm someone and it's all bull crap...in the darkest recesses of the human mind lurks a basic disregard for the rights of others that is overcome through love and respect but unleashed by hate.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what in the wide, wide world of sports does your post have to do with somer's above?

The fact that hate and abuse are not perfectly interchangable. That and the fact I consider abuse a worse crime than hate. That's all. Goes back to Riot's idiotic followup.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The fact that hate and abuse are not perfectly interchangable. That and the fact I consider abuse a worse crime than hate. That's all. Goes back to Riot's idiotic followup.

i am pretty sure when somer was talking to you about hate, he was talking about your hate.
hate alone isn't the issue-i feel it's the acts committed due to hate that are the problem. whether it's abuse, torture, or keeping a group that already meets from building a larger place to fit their congregation.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i am pretty sure when somer was talking to you about hate, he was talking about your hate.hate alone isn't the issue-i feel it's the acts committed due to hate that are the problem. whether it's abuse, torture, or keeping a group that already meets from building a larger place to fit their congregation.

If I did hate the people why would I be concerned with their women?

I'm pretty sure I've been consistent hating the act of abuse and the abuse does not involve a small minority but rather involves the majority. We need to come to the aid of their women not ignore them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If I did hate the people why would I be concerned with their women?

I'm pretty sure I've been consistent hating the act of abuse and the abuse does not involve a small minority but rather involves the majority. We need to come to the aid of their women not ignore them.

lol
yeah, ok...

you're right that women the world over need help. change hopefully will come with time, it sure won't happen over night.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The fact that hate and abuse are not perfectly interchangable. That and the fact I consider abuse a worse crime than hate. That's all. Goes back to Riot's idiotic followup.

Dell, again it helps when you actually read what I post before becoming critical of same. One last time, I never said hate and abuse are interchangeable, I said abuse comes from hate, is a subset of same, that they are interconnected with hate being the emotion that leads to abuse/violence against others. It is my position that when a person hates, they can then dehumanize and feel justified in committing violence. If you love and respect someone, you will not abuse or otherwise harm them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The fact that hate and abuse are not perfectly interchangable. That and the fact I consider abuse a worse crime than hate. That's all. Goes back to Riot's idiotic followup.

Just because you can't remotely understand what other people post doesn't make them the idiot.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Just because you can't remotely understand what other people post doesn't make them the idiot.

when we're talking about stopping abuse to women/children and in some cases killing them and you blurt out 'I hate haters more than anything', what do you think it makes you if not an idiot!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Dell, again it helps when you actually read what I post before becoming critical of same. One last time, I never said hate and abuse are interchangeable, I said abuse comes from hate, is a subset of same, that they are interconnected with hate being the emotion that leads to abuse/violence against others. It is my position that when a person hates, they can then dehumanize and feel justified in committing violence. If you love and respect someone, you will not abuse or otherwise harm them.

Abuse without hate as in the case of a father abusing his daughter is what I was talking about. Unless the majority of muslims/hindus hate their daughters?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Abuse without hate as in the case of a father abusing his daughter is what I was talking about. Unless the majority of muslims/hindus hate their daughters?

And my position is there can be no abuse without hate....these men may profess to love their daughters, even believe it themselves, but when faced with the lives of their daughters vs their "honor" they choose violence against the one they profess to love...shows that they have dehumanized their daughter and consider her less than their precious "honor" and they hate her for daring to go against same.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

when we're talking about stopping abuse to women/children and in some cases killing them and you blurt out 'I hate haters more than anything', what do you think it makes you if not an idiot!

It makes me somebody who is able to understand alot more nuance than you are able to. And recognize sanctimony on sight.

[Riot]

Speaking of bigotry and hate, did anybody watch Herman Cain on Faux News today with Chris Wallace?

This man is disgusting. He did do a nice job of digging his political grave deeper.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Speaking of bigotry and hate, did anybody watch Herman Cain on Faux News today with Chris Wallace?

This man is disgusting. He did do a nice job of digging his political grave deeper.

i just read about his comments. wow.

so, doesn't the president take an oath that he will defend the constitution? he needs to read up on that document, so he'll see that he's wrong.