Fastest workouts

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The Cee's Tizzy races were from 1990, the following year after Sunday Silence. In his next start Cee's Tizzy was 3rd to Home At Last and Unbridled in the Super Derby. At the time, he set the fastest 1/2 mile fraction in Super Derby history (:45+). He came out of the race with a knee fracture that ended his career.

That workout for SS was as a 3yo though?

I thought that was the following year, in 90.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That workout for SS was as a 3yo though?

I thought that was the following year, in 90.

No, the workout was in preparation for the '89 Super Derby.

[Cannon Shell]

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

Some problems with issuing even theoretical beyers for works are
1. horses start with a running start
2. timing can be less than accurate
3. there is usually more moisture in the tracks early in the morning
4. some horses are worked on medication

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

Some problems with issuing even theoretical beyers for works are
1. horses start with a running start
2. timing can be less than accurate
3. there is usually more moisture in the tracks early in the morning
4. some horses are worked on medication

I understand 1 thru 3 but wonder what meds make a horse run bullets.
Lasix
Bute
ClaritinD ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

Some problems with issuing even theoretical beyers for works are
1. horses start with a running start
2. timing can be less than accurate
3. there is usually more moisture in the tracks early in the morning
4. some horses are worked on medication

They start with a running start during actual races as well. I remember when I was about 8 years old and I first tried to hand time a race ... I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my time kept coming back a few seconds slower every time. It took more than a few go's before I finally figured out races aren't timed from when the gates open.

I agree though ... reason #2 alone is king.

Imagine if you tried to make a sheet figure for a morning workout - you wouldn't know how wide they were on the turn - or if the excersize rider weighed 110lbs or 165lbs.

[Kasept]

Honest Lady before the '00 BC Sprint.

:57.3 maybe?

I always thought that Frankel let her go that fast to crank the speed back up after her Atto Mile, but he told me a couple of years ago that it was a mistake and that he was very unhappy she went that fast.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe Risen Star worked 32.4 before the Belmont.

It was 33 3/5ths.

Found this on Google from Steve Crist's NY Times days...

THE BELMONT; RISEN STAR SIZZLES IN FINAL WORKOUT
By STEVEN CRIST
Published: June 11, 1988

Risen Star's bumpy Triple Crown preparations took a last strange turn yesterday morning when the colt blazed three furlongs in 33 3/5 seconds in his final tuneup for the 120th Belmont Stakes today at Belmont Park.

The move was not quite as sensational as the time suggests because the track was extremely fast and there were some questions about the accuracy of the clocking. But it proved that the son of Secretariat is fit and ready and suggested he may be kept close to the filly Winning Colors in the early going this afternoon.

Risen Star, the Preakness winner and the 8-to-5 morning-line favorite for the Belmont, holds the key to how the race unfolds. He looks like the only one of the filly's five opponents who can stay within early striking distance.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Honest Lady before the '00 BC Sprint.

:57.3 maybe?

I always thought that Frankel let her go that fast to crank the speed back up after her Atto Mile, but he told me a couple of years ago that it was a mistake and that he was very unhappy she went that fast.

57 4/5 at Hollywood - it was a few weeks before HP's meet re-opened for racing.

Even if Frankel didn't want her to go that fast ... it probably was a good omen because she was a good 2nd at 30/1+ in a race in which I gave her no chance.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Hard Spun's 57 and 2 (57.53) pre derby workout...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Hard Spun's 57 and 2 (57.53) pre derby workout...

It was on a dark day. But the track was very fast the next racing day - would have translated to an 86 Beyer if the track was as fast that morning as it was the following afternoon.

Still, very fast obviously - especially right before a 10f race.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I understand 1 thru 3 but wonder what meds make a horse run bullets.
Lasix
Bute
ClaritinD ?

Clembuterol
Tranquilizers

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They start with a running start during actual races as well. I remember when I was about 8 years old and I first tried to hand time a race ... I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my time kept coming back a few seconds slower every time. It took more than a few go's before I finally figured out races aren't timed from when the gates open.

I agree though ... reason #2 alone is king.

Imagine if you tried to make a sheet figure for a morning workout - you wouldn't know how wide they were on the turn - or if the excersize rider weighed 110lbs or 165lbs.

While there is a runup in the afternoon it isnt the same deal. Sometimes you start slower from the pole than you would if the horse broke from the gate. Sometimes the opposite. I have seen horses with workouts listed as 1/2 mile run off long before the "official" timing starts.

As I sit here in the car watching the track here turn from tight to pretty heavy because of rain the conditions at 6:30 are going to be completely different than 8:30

The difference in riders is another that I should have put as well. There is a big difference between a 140 lb ex rider and a jockey.

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Midnight Lute also worked 1:21+ at Del Mar in advance of the 2008 Pat O'Brien. Broke the track record.

Give me a minute to figure out which Headley horse it was.

He put a good string together before the 2008 BC too:

Midnight Lute has put forth a string of bullet workouts recently at Santa Anita, going four furlongs in :45.40 on September 27, six furlongs in 1:10.60 on October 5, and five furlongs in :56.80 on October 13 leading up to his Monday workout.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was 33 3/5ths.

Found this on Google from Steve Crist's NY Times days...

That time was dumbed down.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

57 4/5 at Hollywood - it was a few weeks before HP's meet re-opened for racing.

Even if Frankel didn't want her to go that fast ... it probably was a good omen because she was a good 2nd at 30/1+ in a race in which I gave her no chance.

Doug..

2000 Cup is one of my best days ever at the track, and the Sprint was a big part of it. I loved her in there and used her and Kona Gold with Bet On Sunshine, More Than Ready and Caller One, which ended up the top five finishers. If she gets her nose in front of Kona Gold, I can only imagine what the exotics would have paid with her at 31-1. As it was, the tri was $2k and super $5k.

I've written and talked about this many times, but everything went right for me and Bill Mayberry ('Barbecue Bill') that day, except the late races where I liked Lemon Drop Kid in the Classic and John's Call in the Turf. But Bill was friendly with Northeast Bound's trainer Bill Perry, and we caught the Mile score with him (40-1?) and War Chant. Plus... Bill somehow found Spain (!) in the Distaff opener (55-1) and I noticed Carressing was way overlaid in the Juvy Filly (47-1). Finally, I keyed Point Given up and down in the Juvenile. It was an amazing day, but the Sprint hit was the one I particularly recall because of Honest Lady.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

He put a good string together before the 2008 BC too:

His 56.80 would have translated to an 85 Beyer if he had run that time in a race later on that afternoon.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While there is a runup in the afternoon it isnt the same deal. Sometimes you start slower from the pole than you would if the horse broke from the gate. Sometimes the opposite. I have seen horses with workouts listed as 1/2 mile run off long before the "official" timing starts.

As I sit here in the car watching the track here turn from tight to pretty heavy because of rain the conditions at 6:30 are going to be completely different than 8:30

The difference in riders is another that I should have put as well. There is a big difference between a 140 lb ex rider and a jockey.

Yeah .... it's obviously extremely tough to trust stuff. That is for sure.

Workout time is something I never pay attention to at all... but I'm strangly enjoying trying to figure out who's might have been most impressive. I remember swearing Candy Ride's were bogus before the Pac Classic because of how slow the track was that meet.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Doug..

2000 Cup is one of my best days ever at the track, and the Sprint was a big part of it. I loved her in there and used her and Kona Gold with Bet On Sunshine, More Than Ready and Caller One, which ended up the top five finishers. If she gets her nose in front of Kona Gold, I can only imagine what the exotics would have paid with her at 31-1. As it was, the tri was $2k and super $5k.

I've written and talked about this many times, but everything went right for me and Bill Mayberry ('Barbecue Bill') that day, except the late races where I liked Lemon Drop Kid in the Classic and John's Call in the Turf. But Bill was friendly with Northeast Bound's trainer Bill Perry, and we caught the Mile score with him (40-1?) and War Chant. Plus... Bill somehow found Spain (!) in the Distaff opener (55-1) and I noticed Carressing was way overlaid in the Juvy Filly (47-1). Finally, I keyed Point Given up and down in the Juvenile. It was an amazing day, but the Sprint hit was the one I particularly recall because of Honest Lady.

Nothing went right for me that day.

I've had many glorious BC days betting and that was absolutely not one of them. I bet Point Given in the Juvenile - so I had one tough beat and I wasn't close in any other races besides the Sprint ... where I thought KG was a cinch but couldn't come up with HL to save my life.

I strongly disliked the chances of more than a few horses who won that day as well.

[cakes44]

Friesan Fire had about the same pre-Derby workout as Hard Spun last year. I don't remember the exact time.

I think I remember Tale of Ekati going ridiculously fast in his pre-BC juvie workout and Tagg being super-pissed.

[cakes44]

Found the times:

Friesan Fire= 57 4/5 for 5f

Tale of Ekati= 45.3 for 4f