Will Less Stud Income Help Keep Horses Racing - Page 2

freddymo · #21 03-08-2010, 07:21 PM

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How many of them paid full boat? probably one. you

I will pay half..

The point is that Sunriver a complete bum,although he won a mil and g1) was able to get 90 mares a season in NY.. A colt like the one you bought with BOB would get 100 in a NY minute at Lanes End IF he was the son of Smart Strilke that they NEEDED to stand. You win the KD and the Travers with that colt and they will be swings beads at the float.. There is NO WAY IN HELL most could risk running the Derby and Travers winners out of Smart Strike as a 4 year old...Nor would they have too... Now if that fantasy colt was a Onebadshark all bets are off!

GenuineRisk · #22 03-08-2010, 07:23 PM

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But what you dont know (but you will now) is that of those 100 mares there are a whole lot who arent paying that fee. Most bigtime stallions are syndicated. I would guess most are 50 shares now though some are still 40 and others are 60. Each share holder gets a breeding season for his share and for lesser stallions 2 breeding seasons for years 2 and 3. Those people arent paying. A certain number of clients will want to do a foal share which a few years ago was unheard of for a high profile, first year stallion but times are changing. Some people connected to the horse like the trainer get a comp breeding right. Virtually all stallions are stands and nurses so you dont get paid for a year and nor at all if the mare aborts or the foal is born dead (or in bad shape or is crooked because they are often reported as dead)

The restrictions would fly in the face of the realities of the stallion business and would serve to further punish owners of sucessful horses. We need to do what we can to get and keep owners, not restrict their ability to make a windfall profit which will not only help them recover losses but keep them in the game.

It's a valid counterargument, and it also serves to highlight a big issue with horse racing, which is that it's not possible to make a profit racing; money has to be through getting the home run horse who can succeed at stud. Racing wants big horses on the track to attract fans but the owners need big horses they can retire to stud. And most of them will fail at stud, but you won't know that until it's far too late to bring them back to the races.

freddymo · #23 03-08-2010, 07:26 PM

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It's a valid counterargument, and it also serves to highlight a big issue with horse racing, which is that it's not possible to make a profit racing; money has to be through getting the home run horse who can succeed at stud. Racing wants big horses on the track to attract fans but the owners need big horses they can retire to stud. And most of them will fail at stud, but you won't know that until it's far too late to bring them back to the races.

There is money to be made like Gill was doing it..Slot tracks with high purse levels for horrendous horses. If you had 20 geldings like my pig you would be fine.. Racing horrible laimos threated with legal rugs that allows them to not feel shiiiit seems to be the NEW race market..Why I have NO clue

GenuineRisk · #24 03-08-2010, 07:28 PM

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Not one good 3 yo retired to stud for this year unless you consider Zensational good. The 70's were before what has hurt the breed the most but everyone seems to ignore it, the bloodstock boom of the early 80's.

True indeed. Ah, the 1980's- remembered so fondly, in actual truth so incredibly destructive. For so many reasons.

GenuineRisk · #25 03-08-2010, 07:31 PM

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Racing horrible laimos threated with legal rugs that allows them to not feel shiiiit seems to be the NEW race market..Why I have NO clue

Err... can someone translate for me, please? My Freddymoese is a bit rusty and since I'm pregnant I can't drink, which usually helps with the translation.

freddymo · #26 03-08-2010, 07:32 PM

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Err... can someone translate for me, please? My Freddymoese is a bit rusty and since I'm pregnant I can't drink, which usually helps with the translation.

Drugs not rugs...Drinking is fine when you are with child..Trust me

Cannon Shell · #27 03-08-2010, 07:35 PM

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I will pay half..

The point is that Sunriver a complete bum,although he won a mil and g1) was able to get 90 mares a season in NY.. A colt like the one you bought with BOB would get 100 in a NY minute at Lanes End IF he was the son of Smart Strilke that they NEEDED to stand. You win the KD and the Travers with that colt and they will be swings beads at the float.. There is NO WAY IN HELL most could risk running the Derby and Travers winners out of Smart Strike as a 4 year old...Nor would they have too... Now if that fantasy colt was a Onebadshark all bets are off!

He got those mares because of the guy who brought the horse there was a KY stallion guy. The listed fee was fictional. And the conception rate in NY is in the 60's% range

GenuineRisk · #28 03-08-2010, 07:37 PM

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Drugs not rugs...Drinking is fine when you are with child..Trust me

Oohhhhhh! Thank you. I was trying to figure out how carpeting was a factor and then wondered if you were making a statement about synthetic tracks.

Cannon Shell · #29 03-08-2010, 07:40 PM

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It's a valid counterargument, and it also serves to highlight a big issue with horse racing, which is that it's not possible to make a profit racing; money has to be through getting the home run horse who can succeed at stud. Racing wants big horses on the track to attract fans but the owners need big horses they can retire to stud. And most of them will fail at stud, but you won't know that until it's far too late to bring them back to the races.

It has never been possible to make a profit racing. Most long term owners are looking to lose less, not make more. There are other occasions where you can make a windfall though. Having a live three year old at this time of the year can be sold for big bucks. A graded stakes winning filly still has value. But it is just too volitile of an investment with too much luck needed to be considered a profitable venture. At least doing it without committing crimes.

freddymo · #30 03-08-2010, 07:42 PM

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He got those mares because of the guy who brought the horse there was a KY stallion guy. The listed fee was fictional. And the conception rate in NY is in the 60's% range

Either way he has 180 foals in two season before his demise(miss storm cat please amend the angels thread) I can't rep what folks paid ...I will pay 6250 in a few weeks either way that is a lot of foals at 6k for a bum

freddymo · #31 03-08-2010, 07:44 PM

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It has never been possible to make a profit racing. Most long term owners are looking to lose less, not make more. There are other occasions where you can make a windfall though. Having a live three year old at this time of the year can be sold for big bucks. A graded stakes winning filly still has value. But it is just too volitile of an investment with too much luck needed to be considered a profitable venture. At least doing it without committing crimes.

Midwest TB's and Ness are expanding their operations after great success?

Cannon Shell · #32 03-08-2010, 07:44 PM

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There is money to be made like Gill was doing it..Slot tracks with high purse levels for horrendous horses. If you had 20 geldings like my pig you would be fine.. Racing horrible laimos threated with legal rugs that allows them to not feel shiiiit seems to be the NEW race market..Why I have NO clue

Gill was not making money

Cannon Shell · #33 03-08-2010, 07:45 PM

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Midwest TB's and Ness are expanding their operations after great success?

See the last sentence?

Cannon Shell · #34 03-08-2010, 07:47 PM

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Either way he has 180 foals in two season before his demise(miss storm cat please amend the angels thread) I can't rep what folks paid ...I will pay 6250 in a few weeks either way that is a lot of foals at 6k for a bum

Do you think he was given away? All those ad's cost money plus all the shareholder dont pay.

freddymo · #35 03-08-2010, 07:48 PM

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See the last sentence?

Crimes of passion are sexy... He is 32 and killing it.. He is now expanding into better stock.. he will win graded stakes shortly and IF people dom't catch up they will be training ponys for bday partys soon.. Criminal or not he is earning without risk

randallscott35 · #36 03-08-2010, 07:50 PM

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Crimes of passion are sexy... He is 32 and killing it.. He is now expanding into better stock.. he will win graded stakes shortly and IF people dom't catch up they will be training ponys for bday partys soon.. Criminal or not he is earning without risk

I see a Biancobra like ending on the horizon. Stay patient.

freddymo · #37 03-08-2010, 07:51 PM

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Do you think he was given away? All those ad's cost money plus all the shareholder dont pay.

It's the Blood horse not Time mag.. Please those are funny dollars as well.. A crappy and I mean crappy two year stallion bred 200 plus mares at 12500 advertised..OK call it 180 at 6k that is still way better then the bum would have earned racing