Preference on healthcare reform issue

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by sham

Riley-you might have killed this thread. It is difficult to argue into those kinds of revelations about the reality of government controlled healthcare.

Have you met Riot?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

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Originally Posted by Riot
What do you think "they" are? Enemies? Who is "our"?


Yes, the dems are the enemy of the American people whether the American people realize it yet or not.


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Done.
Done.
Done.
If the Senate bill is the basis for reconciliation.

Aren't you happy now?




< paying for people here illegally will be changed alright. They will make it legal for them to be here and still bleed us dry
< tort reform is in the bill? not from what NPR has reported.
< ? I won't have any health insurance or I won't be taxed to pay for dead beats?

happy? we'll see


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Originally Posted by Riot
What do you think about your health insurance premium costs going up 10-25% within this next year? You can afford that easy, right?



I know the taxes on my health insurance is going to be between $4 to 5k more when they allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.



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I like who is in office now. Voted for him.



yeah but you liked Carter.


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Your vague accusation of fraud in the 2008 election is interesting. Although completely unsubstantiable. Got anything factual on that? And tell me what you thought of 2000?



my accusation of fraud is based on the people ACORN registered and there are other examples but we only report voter fraud if a republican wins.

as far as my take on what happened in 2000, I assume you mean the Florida thing. Despite an attempt to stuff the ballot box they fouled it up completely and still lost. Voting machines are designed for 1 ballot at a time. you get dimpled and hanging chads when you try to run more than 1 through the machine or whatever they used. and when that failed they tried to change the rules then accused the court of selecting Bush when all they did was refuse a rule change.

But i didn't vote for Bush - he was too liberal



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The people do get to vote in 2012. Can't wait. Hopefully they will be Americans with excellent healthcare, and there will be 30 million less uninsured Americans voting than we are paying for now.




The people get to vote every year. I want the dems to lose the majority.

100% of the people I work with are against reform and 75% are against it nation wide. You think it is expensive now - wait until it is free.
are all those people that didn't choose to buy health insurance going to like paying for it instead of driving a new car or going on trips every vacation?

yeah there are all kinds of reasons but I don't feel like addressing portability etc


I don't see how they can get this reform past the supreme court <-- btw this is all FDR's fault. If he didn't tax the crap out of people companies wouldn't have to offer health insurance as an incentive to work for them and prices would have been controlled through the free market






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Oh, yeah, BTW, this is funny (although about financial reform): www.funnyordie.com the Presidents



maybe later. I've already spent too much time talking to people that don't care to listen..

WOW!!!!! Finally someone knows how to split up a conversation and keep the name on each quote reply.

Carry on!!!!

[Riot]

Yes, the dems are the enemy of the American people whether the American people realize it yet or not.

Get your gun! Run in fear for the hills! Demand to see the Kenyan birth certificate of our non-American President!

yeah but you liked Carter.

Actually, no. I didn't like Carter. And I've said so on this board. Several times. Kinda tired of explaining it to you po' folk who can' read

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Are you kidding? Who the hell would want that? To have the crappy health care of Canada and the U.K.? And their mortality rates from cancer?

No way. The Kool Aid drinkers on the left need to wise up. You guys are so in love with the idea of governmental control of every aspect of our lives that you are dismissing the real impact of your ill-conceived policies.

Well hell yes, I want that. Canada and the UK are not half as crappy as a US system where we have millions and millions uninsured or not able to get health care, where healthcare prices are skyrocketing out of control in an industry that is 1/6 of our national economy and healthcare is dictated by private companies who are financially disincentivized from providing their services to sick people, and we stand 39th in the world in quality of care.

No way. You Kool Aid drinkers on the right need to wise up. You guys are so in love with the idea of zero government influence on everything that you are dismissing the real impact of your ill-conceived policies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by sham

Riley-you might have killed this thread. It is difficult to argue into those kinds of revelations about the reality of government controlled healthcare.

Well, except the overwhelming majority of what is being discussed not in either the House or Senate Health care reform bills.

Sorry, Riley

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Have you met Riot?

At least Riot prefers op ed not written for trying to ignite fears about imaginary things not actually included in the House or Senate versions of healthcare reform

Seriously - please, read what is actually IN these bills. It's clear alot of the fear-mongers haven't.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Riot, for this to work, they're gunna have to pass something to punish people that hire illegal immigrants etc. We've put up with that crap for a long time. We can't afford them anymore. I know they say Illegals aren't covered in the bill, but their gunna drop kids here (instant citizenship.) Cali is getting killed by it. We aren't better off with them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Riot, for this to work, they're gunna have to pass something to punish people that hire illegal immigrants etc. We've put up with that crap for a long time. We can't afford them anymore. I know they say Illegals aren't covered in the bill, but their gunna drop kids here (instant citizenship.) Cali is getting killed by it. We aren't better off with them.

The costs of illegal immigrants and their kids are a piss in the vast ocean of healthcare in this country.

And yes - people born here are called "American Citizens". Just like you.

I agree Cali is a mess. Disaster. I've had friends run from it in the past 15 years.

Illegals are a part of it, certainly (schools, everything) but illegal immigrants are far from the main reason. One can't behave as fiscally irresponsibly as Bush-era Republicans, just saying spend, spend, spend on the charge card, with zero planning on somehow getting the income to eventually pay it off.

But that has been the California voter. They voted in expensive program after expensive program, with zero way to pay for it.

[Riot]

Anyone who doesn't think we need healthcare reform laws needs to read this. Its gonna get really ugly in the next few years with health care costs:

Insurers Set To Raise Prices, Walk Away From Consumers: Goldman Report


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_487684.html

[Danzig]

my energy bill, property tax, car insurance, grocery bill, and telephone have all gone up since a couple years ago. maybe the govt can take care of that too.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

my energy bill, property tax, car insurance, grocery bill, and telephone have all gone up since a couple years ago. maybe the govt can take care of that too.

The government already well-protects your consumer interests regarding your telephone, energy, and groceries.

Of course, in the currently popular small movement to get rid of the government, that can go away. I'd say you'd miss it.

Edit: you know, one poster here mentioned he pays $269 a month for health insurance. Hope it's still affordable this summer at $300 a month, or even $330.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The government already well-protects your consumer interests regarding your telephone, energy, and groceries.

Of course, in the currently popular small movement to get rid of the government, that can go away. I'd say you'd miss it.

Edit: you know, one poster here mentioned he pays $269 a month for health insurance. Hope it's still affordable this summer at $300 a month, or even $330.

Wasnt the telephone industry deregulated?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Wasnt the telephone industry deregulated?

Yes. And?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. And?

So the govt gets credit for regulating it but it isnt regulated?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

The government already well-protects your consumer interests regarding your telephone, energy, and groceries.

Of course, in the currently popular small movement to get rid of the government, that can go away. I'd say you'd miss it.

Edit: you know, one poster here mentioned he pays $269 a month for health insurance. Hope it's still affordable this summer at $300 a month, or even $330.

well protects? my interests? i doubt it. pols protect themselves.

as for the insurance, i'll trade that poster. mine is higher already than the highest you just posted. but you know what, i don't even think about it. everyone hates their insurance(auto, home, life, disability, etc) and how much it costs...til they need it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So the govt gets credit for regulating it but it isnt regulated?

Sigh ...

I said:

The government already well-protects your consumer interests regarding your telephone, energy, and groceries.

Do you think that "deregulation" means there is no federal government involvement in consumer protections regarding telephone service?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well protects? my interests? i doubt it. .

You can doubt it, yet the reality is you benefit from it every day.

everyone hates their insurance(auto, home, life, disability, etc) and how much it costs...til they need it

Yeah, they especially hate it when it gets so high, they literally cannot afford it any more.

But this is America - our motto seems to be, "I got mine. So who cares. You're on your own".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sigh ...

I said:



Do you think that "deregulation" means there is no federal government involvement in consumer protections regarding telephone service?

You mean there are laws and they are enforced? really? I thought we lived in Somolia...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You mean there are laws and they are enforced? really? I thought we lived in Somolia...

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Wasnt the telephone industry deregulated?

Originally Posted by Riot
Yes. And?

Your purpose or point about posting a question about deregulation in association with a post about federal consumer protections was .... ??? Remains a secret?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your purpose or point about posting a question about deregulation in association with a post about federal consumer protections was .... ??? Remains a secret?

The food industry and energy industry's are highly regulated