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09-19-2009, 02:31 PM
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it said in the article he would have no comment til after the hearing. i doubt he'd feel a need to comment here if he wouldn't comment to drf. as for the offer, just because stauffer asked if the horse was for sale, it didn't necessarily mean he was the one buying. as for the jock...did he feel the horse was laboring, and didn't ask him for anything else in order to save him for another day? it was a maiden race, so perhaps the horse is younger? trainer instructions notwithstanding, it's up to the jock to handle the race how he sees best, depending on how it all unfolds. he's the leading jock at del mar, but i doubt this trainer is anywhere near the lead in the training standings-perhaps joel thought he knew better based on how the day was going? was the horse rank? 100 lbs vs 1000 lbs-we all know who will win that fight. guess we'll see how it goes. 
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09-19-2009, 06:42 PM
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09-19-2009, 07:05 PM
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i agree completely. i always try to give people benefit of the doubt. there's always more then one side to any story.
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09-19-2009, 08:35 PM
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It sounds from the article as if the horse was running fine outside of horses and was then taken back and asked to re-rally. I'll have to see if I can find a replay to be sure. Sure jocks mess up and sometimes it's not easy to convince a 1/2 ton horse that wants to do something that the trainer advises against it.
That said, had the inquiry not been made by the agent the next day, Glenney probably would have been annoyed by the ride but would not have thought to call a steward. Glenney is KY now so it's not like the Cali jocks are worried about him calling them. As an aside, I'm curious as to how many jock agents/track announcers are also serving as middlemen is horse sales? Is it common?
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner? You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really don't want me to go down there!
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09-19-2009, 09:01 PM
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Anybody cash?
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09-20-2009, 05:57 AM
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Delmar Sept 6th Race 11 here's a link to Watch the Replay So you can form your own Opinion
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...edPlaced=False
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09-20-2009, 08:19 AM
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I didn't see anything out of the ordinary in the replay that hasn't happened a thousand times a day, Cedros looked hard pressed to hit the board even had Rosario resorted to the whip, which is overrated anyway.
Actually the instructions of Glenney to ask a Jock to keep a horse outside without cover in a turf race should be questioned in my opinion... 
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09-20-2009, 08:28 AM
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I have a hard time seeing much wrong with the ride from a investigation standpoint. Rosario did get the horse positioned on the outside. He was put inside by other horses passing him on his outside. The ground he saved on the turn probably got him a check. It was also hard to say that he didnt give his best effort in the stretch, at least from the pan shot.
Jockey agents are often asked to inquire about the availability of horses they ride because they already have a relationship with the trainer of the horse. They may or may not have anything to do with the actual purchase of the horse. Trainer John Glenney, who owns Cedros with his wife, Kim, said he was "terribly upset" about losing the winning purse in the $67,390 maiden special weight race, which followed the Pacific Classic (gr. I) at the end of the program. In a phone interview from Kentucky, he noted that he had instructed Rosario to keep Cedros on the outside. "I felt the only way (Cedros) could get beat was if he got in trouble, so I told (Rosario) to keep him in the middle of the track and I didn't think they'd be able to catch him (in the stretch)," Glenney said. "He had him in great position on the outside on the turn and then the horse dropped back. "I couldn't understand why that happened. Usually, if a horse flips a palate or something, he would continue to drop back. But when he made the stretch, Rosario angled him to the inside and he kept running. It appeared to me that (Cedros) wanted to win the race. So that is why I questioned the ride. It cost me about $40,000."
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09-20-2009, 08:30 AM
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The horse was spent on the front end and wasn't placing regardless of Rosario's ride at that point. If it wasn't for the report of the intention to buy, an obvious slight of the trainers preparation for the horse, which is reported by the trainer this is a non story. Let the process play out so all have their say before passing judgement. The "attempt to buy" may not be all that is printed but until Vic and Rosario have a chance to respond at the appropriate time the information is incomplete. The whole thing is very strange..
Jockey agents are often asked to inquire about the availability of horses they ride because they already have a relationship with the trainer of the horse. They may or may not have anything to do with the actual purchase of the horse. Chuck ...Am I wrong in assuming that an agent coming to you the next day about purchasing a horse that ran below expectations is kinda insulting your approach to the horse?
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09-20-2009, 08:33 AM
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or it may not be so strange. the owner/trainer thought the horse would win, and he didn't. so now he thinks he has a huge conspiracy on his hands rather than just saying hey, maybe the horse just couldn't do it.
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