Quality Road to Pletcher..

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

they have it up in DRF now as done


Mr Obvious says: Evans is big with breeding, and a lot of times when a breeding deal is all but finalized the big operations want to have "their" trainers train the horse out.

Then why tansfer the fillies??

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Then why tansfer the fillies??

interesting. Apparently there was a major decision to transfer stock

I wish Mr. Obvious would stop using my account

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Then what was your point?

My point was that while JJ has struggled with keeping some horses that had potential sound but Storm Play should not necessarily be singled out as a bad training job.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

My point was that while JJ has struggled with keeping some horses that had potential sound but Storm Play should not necessarily be singled out as a bad training job.

NT

I don't think anyone said Jimmy was anything close to a bad trainer.

Storm Play made his first start in late August of his 3YO season and now hasn't been seen in going on seven months.

[hockey2315]

What Andy said. . .

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't think anyone said Jimmy was anything close to a bad trainer.

Storm Play made his first start in late August of his 3YO season and now hasn't been seen in going on seven months.

I didn't think anyone said anything about him being a bad trainer but the argument was posited that he has had a great deal of "fast" horses end up with problems.

Storm Play was "thrown to the wolves" and all I was attempting to do was refute that notion. I know you didn't think much of Storm Play's chances in the Cigar Mile and neither did I, but I definitely don't think he was foolishly spotted there.

If anything, and I imagine this had something to do with the decision to move his horses, Jerkens is very conservative. I imagine after years with Mark Hennig Evans is in search of more instant (or any) gratification.

NT

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I didn't think anyone said anything about him being a bad trainer but the argument was posited that he has had a great deal of "fast" horses end up with problems.

Storm Play was "thrown to the wolves" and all I was attempting to do was refute that notion. I know you didn't think much of Storm Play's chances in the Cigar Mile and neither did I, but I definitely don't think he was foolishly spotted there.

If anything, and I imagine this had something to do with the decision to move his horses, Jerkens is very conservative. I imagine after years with Mark Hennig Evans is in search of more instant (or any) gratification.

NT

Maybe the "thrown to the wolves" comment was a slight exaggeration, but the fact remains that something has obviously gone wrong with the horse.

[HaloWishingwell]

look at the bright side, they didnt give Pletcher the horse for The Derby.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If anything, and I imagine this had something to do with the decision to move his horses, Jerkens is very conservative. I imagine after years with Mark Hennig Evans is in search of more instant (or any) gratification.

NT

The irony with this decision is that, after Evans' split with Hennig, he sent horses to Jerkens, Pletcher and Dutrow. Unless I'm missing something, it seems as if Jerkens accomplished more with the Evans horses that he was given than either Dutrow or Pletcher (i.e., Nite Light, Spritely).

[Pedigree Ann]

Maybe the owner doesn't want the horse's lack of good feet exposed by Jerkens' 'old style' training methods? He can probably win some shorter races (Jerome, Cigar Mile), brilliantly, on talent alone, without being completely fit. Try to get him fit enough for 10f against a top class field and the feet may go out again.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Maybe the owner doesn't want the horse's lack of good feet exposed by Jerkens' 'old style' training methods? He can probably win some shorter races (Jerome, Cigar Mile), brilliantly, on talent alone, without being completely fit. Try to get him fit enough for 10f against a top class field and the feet may go out again.

Except that I'm willing to wager that that is exactly what they sent him to Pletcher to do. If this horse is healthy there is no way they aren't going to run him in the Travers.

[Gander]

I dont believe for a second that this would have happened had Quality Road been able to get better and run in this year's Triple Crown.

You must wonder given the very funny results from this year's races (minus Rachael), whether this owner is just bitter over having missed this grand opportunity at history?

Look at the results Jerkens has had with the runners he got from Evans when he went splitsville from Hennig.

And its kind of ironic one othese horses just won recently under the care of Jerkens (Giant Mover).

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

I dont believe for a second that this would have happened had Quality Road been able to get better and run in this year's Triple Crown.

You must wonder given the very funny results from this year's races (minus Rachael), whether this owner is just bitter over having missed this grand opportunity at history?

Look at the results Jerkens has had with the runners he got from Evans when he went splitsville from Hennig.

And its kind of ironic one othese horses just won recently under the care of Jerkens (Giant Mover).

Timmy let's face it , this horse was rushed too fast too soon after the initial crack in the florida derby , it isn't JJ's fault that GP was a conveyer belt on Florida Derby day and the horse get hurt. He probably was relieved when the horse didn't have to go in the derby because of the 2nd crack . Could you imagine if that poor horse was forced to run in that peanut butter on derby day.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Timmy let's face it , this horse was rushed too fast too soon after the initial crack in the florida derby , it isn't JJ's fault that GP was a conveyer belt on Florida Derby day and the horse get hurt. He probably was relieved when the horse didn't have to go in the derby because of the 2nd crack . Could you imagine if that poor horse was forced to run in that peanut butter on derby day.

How many other horses got hurt on Florida Derby Day at Gulfstream?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

How many other horses got hurt on Florida Derby Day at Gulfstream?

i don't know , but , how many ran as hard as him?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i don't know , but , how many ran as hard as him?

I was moving that day so I didnt get a chance to watch many races, but I did see Big Drama and Phil run pretty hard in the race prior to. And its hard to believe Quality Road was the only horse to run "hard" that day. Dunkirk ran pretty "hard" until Quality Road was asked and burst away from him like he was a nickel claimer.

[gales0678]

[quote=Gander]I was moving that day so I didnt get a chance to watch many races, but I did see Big Drama and Phil run pretty hard in the race prior to. And its hard to believe Quality Road was the only horse to run "hard" that day. Dunkirk ran pretty "hard" until Quality Road was asked and burst away from him like he was a nickel claimer.[/QUOTE]

that nickel claimer ran pretty good in the belmont

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

that should help is injurys..

[Gander]

[quote=gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

I was moving that day so I didnt get a chance to watch many races, but I did see Big Drama and Phil run pretty hard in the race prior to. And its hard to believe Quality Road was the only horse to run "hard" that day. Dunkirk ran pretty "hard" until Quality Road was asked and burst away from him like he was a nickel claimer.[/QUOTE]

that nickel claimer ran pretty good in the belmont

Yes, he sure did. But for me, not good enough.
I wonder how Quality Road would have fared running that same style race Dunkirk did?

[gales0678]

[quote=Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Yes, he sure did. But for me, not good enough.
I wonder how Quality Road would have fared running that same style race Dunkirk did?

i wonder if Quality Road will ever make it back again , it will be interesting to see