6/13-14 (BEL): Ogden Phipps (G1); Poker (G3) - Page 2

NTamm1215 · #21 06-15-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why? Cause Music Note got exposed as the mirage that she is?

I think it had more to do with her jockey making a woefully premature move and not only ruining his filly's chances but also his entrymate's. Coa was just along for the idiotic ride on Sea Chanter, who was hopeless to begin with.

Seattle Smooth was able to enjoy another absolutely perfect trip and I would bet a large sum that the result will be different the next time her and Seventh Street face each other.

The Beyer for the Ogden Phipps was a 97 by the way.

NT

NTamm1215 · #22 06-15-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I think that we are seeing Kip Deville's down side this year, and I am wondering if the BC Mile is a realistic goal.

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. He was solid in the Gulfstream race in February. He also had absolutely no chance in Dubai.

Yesterday he was forced into a very strong pace for the course conditions and he came up short. He struggled over similar footing in the Woodbine Mile last year and while his BC win was earned on soft ground, he was making the third start of his form cycle that afternoon and benefited from a perfect trip.

I think once they get Kip back on firm footing he'll be back to himself. Though, I will say time may be catching up to him.

NT

the_fat_man · #23 06-15-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I think it had more to do with her jockey making a woefully premature move and not only ruining his filly's chances but also his entrymate's. Coa was just along for the idiotic ride on Sea Chanter, who was hopeless to begin with.

And Castellano followed this scintillating effort with an equally fine ride on Tam Lin. Anyone who wants to learn how to trip turf races at something above the basic level should watch the headon of this race and note how many times Tam Lin is forced to change leads because Castellano has put him in a bad spot.

NTamm1215 · #24 06-15-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

And Castellano followed this scintillating effort with an equally fine ride on Tam Lin. Anyone who wants to learn how to trip turf races at something above the basic level should watch the headon of this race and note how many times Tam Lin is forced to change leads because Castellano has put him in a bad spot.

I told someone that is a Godolphin fan that if Castellano ever puts on the blue silks again it is a travesty. Those were two laughably bad rides.

NT

blackthroatedwind · #25 06-15-2009, 11:15 AM

At least he gave Invasor a perfect ride in the BC Classic.

CSC · #26 06-15-2009, 11:45 AM

Didn't Jara ride Invasor in the BC?

CSC · #27 06-15-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

And Castellano followed this scintillating effort with an equally fine ride on Tam Lin. Anyone who wants to learn how to trip turf races at something above the basic level should watch the headon of this race and note how many times Tam Lin is forced to change leads because Castellano has put him in a bad spot.

For the most I like Castellano on the turf though I agree he does make some bad decisions at times, I never liked Tam Lin. IMO he's nothing special.

Sightseek · #28 06-15-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Didn't Jara ride Invasor in the BC?

He was being sarcastic for Castellano moving too soon on Bernardini.

CSC · #29 06-15-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

He was being sarcastic for Castellano moving too soon on Bernardini.

Oh, belated LOL...I thought Blackthroatedwind was too sharp for that faux pas...

10 pnt move up · #30 06-15-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why? Cause Music Note got exposed as the mirage that she is?

Obviously your not a Music Note fan, thats fine, don't you think you look rather foolish by not acknowledging that the race was strange the way it unfolded.

To each his own I guess.

Indian Charlie · #31 06-15-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Obviously your not a Music Note fan, thats fine, don't you think you look rather foolish by not acknowledging that the race was strange the way it unfolded.

To each his own I guess.

It's not that I'm not a fan of Music Note. It's more that I think she is overrated. I think the three year old fillies were dramatically overrated last year, mostly because of how much better they looked than the abysmal colts from the same crop.

She did have some exciting races with Proud Spell, but heck, I'm not even sure Proud Spell was a deserving winner of the Eclipse last year. I definitely don't think she was the best filly in the crop either.

And yeah, the race was run strangely. That move, however, shouldn't account for her losing by ten lengths.

One more thing. Her connections suck, especially her trainer. He seems like an incompetent buffoon from what I've seen of him.

Bobby Fischer · #32 06-15-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Beyer for the Ogden Phipps was a 97 by the way.

why the low beyer?

the track must have been a speedway?
I didn't play the card, but the raw time for the Phipps was great

blackthroatedwind · #33 06-15-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

why the low beyer?

the track must have been a speedway?
I didn't play the card, but the raw time for the Phipps was great

What exactly do you think those horses are capable of running?

All things considered, it was Seventh Street's best race by far. She got a 100 for the Apple Blossom after crawling on the lead on a speed track. Saturday, she actually had to earn her number.

NTamm1215 · #34 06-15-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

why the low beyer?

the track must have been a speedway?
I didn't play the card, but the raw time for the Phipps was great

There were three 8.5 furlong races on the card, the Phipps being the 1st

Phipps: 23.45 / 46.36 / 1:09.96 / 1:35.4 / 1:42.13

N2L Alw: 22.82 / 45.43 / 1:09.88 / 1:35.48 / 1:42.37

NYB Alw: 23.24 / 46.41 / 1:11.00 / 1:36.97 1:44.18

NT

Bobby Fischer · #35 06-15-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What exactly do you think those horses are capable of running?

All things considered, it was Seventh Street's best race by far. She got a 100 for the Apple Blossom after crawling on the lead on a speed track. Saturday, she actually had to earn her number.

I have no idea on a beyer scale.

just looking at a final time for 1 1/16th on dirt 142.13 is very good. They also came home pretty well for fast paced 1:42 race, but I'm not considering that in the beyer.

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There were three 8.5 furlong races on the card, the Phipps being the 1st

Phipps: 23.45 / 46.36 / 1:09.96 / 1:35.4 / 1:42.13

N2L Alw: 22.82 / 45.43 / 1:09.88 / 1:35.48 / 1:42.37

NYB Alw: 23.24 / 46.41 / 1:11.00 / 1:36.97 1:44.18

NT

Looking at the full chart, the 9th race allowance shows similar fractions, so I am no longer impressed by the raw time. The only thing interesting now is a little bit of a track condition change from "good" to "fast". I am going to assume that the Beyer was accurate, and that with the way the track was playing, 1:42.13 wasn't anything special.