Baffert, Point Given among Hall of Fame finalists - Page 2

The Indomitable DrugS · #21 02-25-2009, 02:45 PM

She won the Doubledogdare!

Handicappy · #22 02-25-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

here's hoping for randy romero!! but then, i've said that a few times before.

Not as many times as I've been hoping for Eddie Maple. I still think it is astonishing he isn't in. I go to the ceremony every year and every year I leave shaking my head looking at who is in there ahead of him.

letswastemoney · #23 02-25-2009, 02:49 PM

Didn't Best Pal take the 93 Hollywood Gold Cup as well? And the 95 San Antonio? I'd give it to Best Pal...Point Given didn't race long enough....Tiznow might deserve it as well....But I want to see Best Pal get this

slotdirt · #24 02-25-2009, 02:54 PM

Totally off topic, but how are Point Given, Best Pal, and Tiznow up for the Hall of Fame while Black Tie Affair will never get consideration in about 1,832 years?

KirisClown · #25 02-25-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She won the Doubledogdare!

She's 1-9 to get in this year...

NTamm1215 · #26 02-25-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

Out of curiosity.. how did Silverbulletday do outside of age restricted races?

Terribly. She made seven starts against older horses and won only once, the aforementioned Doubledogdare. She was beaten in six of her last seven starts, including twice by Beautiful Pleasure, twice by Heritage of Gold and twice to end her career by Lu Ravi.

All in all, Silverbulletday's final seven losses came either to males or older females in graded stakes races.

I've personally believed she was overrated for quite some time, but the two she's up against might not be enough to keep her from getting into the Hall.

NT

Handicappy · #27 02-25-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I beg to differ. At least Kent can ride when he wants to and actually has a strong sense of pace/race dynamics. Maple was a wide riding, clueless clown whose best attribute was that he was WHITE, and how Romero ever got in the mix (and Solis) is just flat out ridiculous. Romero? Solis? Maple? What is this the SPECIAL, the CHALLENGED Hall of Fame for jocks? Who's next, Luzzi and Potts?

Maple rode many if not most of Woody Stephens' horses in the 1970s and 1980s. I don't think he would have riden him if he was so clueless. There have been jocks who are in the hall that have indicated that it is a great over-sight that Eddie hasn't gotten in. But we are all going to like certain riders for certain reasons. The hall is for what they have accomplished in their career. I wince at some who get in so early. But to throw Luzzi into this is a bit silly, don't you think?

The Indomitable DrugS · #28 02-25-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Terribly. She made seven starts against older horses and won only once, the aforementioned Doubledogdare. She was beaten in six of her last seven starts, including twice by Beautiful Pleasure, twice by Heritage of Gold and twice to end her career by Lu Ravi.

All in all, Silverbulletday's final seven losses came either to males or older females in graded stakes races.

I've personally believed she was overrated for quite some time, but the two she's up against might not be enough to keep her from getting into the Hall.

NT

Open Mind was never better than 3rd in her 5 tries outside of age restricted races.

The three times Sky Beauty was not more than 0.40-to-1 outside of age restricted races - she got wholloped each time as well.

Sillverbulletday didn't win those good races against older - but she ran quite fast in all but one of them. Her Beyers of 109 and 110 in defeat look pretty good when you consider Azeri only twice reached those levels.

Silverbullletday won the Alabama by 9 lengths with a 115 Beyer. Sky Beauty got just a 98 Beyer in her Alabama win by comparison.

Silverbulletday won 11 straight Graded Stake races against members of her own sex - and ran a triple digit Beyer in each one. She also shipped well ... which is why I think she gets the slight nod.

The Indomitable DrugS · #29 02-25-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Totally off topic, but how are Point Given, Best Pal, and Tiznow up for the Hall of Fame while Black Tie Affair will never get consideration in about 1,832 years?

Anytime a horse goes off at 56/1 in the ILL Derby during the 3yo season and 133/1 odds in the Met Mile during there 4-year-old season... there probably not going to sniff the Hall of Fame no matter how many wire-to-wire wins they stack up later on in there career.

slotdirt · #30 02-25-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Anytime a horse goes off at 56/1 in the ILL Derby during the 3yo season and 133/1 odds in the Met Mile during there 4-year-old season... there probably not going to sniff the Hall of Fame no matter how many wire-to-wire wins they stack up later on in there career.

That I understand, but his 5YO season was pretty phenomenal.

Danzig · #31 02-25-2009, 03:16 PM

are they voting in horses and folks at this point just to have entries into the hall of fame each year? they're possibly not worthy, but hell, we need to have a ceremony?

KirisClown · #32 02-25-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The three times Sky Beauty was not more than 0.40-to-1 outside of age restricted races - she got wholloped each time as well.

Giving 7lbs to Inside Information at Belmont at a mile.. not many would be able to overcome that..

Travis Stone · #33 02-25-2009, 03:27 PM

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Giving 7lbs to Inside Information at Belmont at a mile.. not many would be able to overcome that..

I think weight is really overrated unless you're talking a 20-30 pound spread.

The Indomitable DrugS · #34 02-25-2009, 03:27 PM

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Giving 7lbs to Inside Information at Belmont at a mile.. not many would be able to overcome that..

Believe it or not ... that wasn't one of the times.

She was 0.35-to-1 against Inside Information that day ... her 14-for-14 lifetime record at Belmont Park had a lot to do with that no doubt.

parsixfarms · #35 02-25-2009, 03:29 PM

Best Pal is long overdue to get in, just as Manila was last year. He was a Grade I winner at 2, 3, 4, and 5. Who's the last horse to have accomplished that feat? I still vividly remember him winning the inaugural Pacific Classic as a 3YO, defeating Twilight Agenda, Unbridled and others.

The Indomitable DrugS · #36 02-25-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think weight is really overrated unless you're talking a 20-30 pound spread.

Do me a favor and go post that on the Thoro-Graph or Ragozin board.

Travis Stone · #37 02-25-2009, 03:30 PM

The HOF has been suspect at best. From constantly changing-up the nomination and voting policies, to allowing some very questionable talent in, it seems to have lost its punch versus what the HOF means in other sports.

I respect and truly enjoy steeplechase racing, but when they toss in three or four every other year or whatever it is, it seems lopsided when you compare # of t-breds versus steeplechase horses, and their respective participants.

Thunder Gulch · #38 02-25-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Open Mind was never better than 3rd in her 5 tries outside of age restricted races.

The three times Sky Beauty was not more than 0.40-to-1 outside of age restricted races - she got wholloped each time as well.

Sillverbulletday didn't win those good races against older - but she ran quite fast in all but one of them. Her Beyers of 109 and 110 in defeat look pretty good when you consider Azeri only twice reached those levels.

Silverbullletday won the Alabama by 9 lengths with a 115 Beyer. Sky Beauty got just a 98 Beyer in her Alabama win by comparison.

Silverbulletday won 11 straight Graded Stake races against members of her own sex - and ran a triple digit Beyer in each one. She also shipped well ... which is why I think she gets the slight nod.

I loved Silverbulletday and think she was amazing in the spring of her 3yo year. Maybe she didn't develop past that, but the races up until her Belmont Stakes race were as impressive as any other filly in the last 20 years IMO.

Travis Stone · #39 02-25-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Do me a favor and go post that on the Thoro-Graph or Ragozin board.

Will you be my bodyguard if I do?

parsixfarms · #40 02-25-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She was 0.35-to-1 against Inside Information that day ... her 14-for-14 lifetime record at Belmont Park had a lot to do with that no doubt.

That she was 1-5 against future Hall of Famer Inside Information speaks volumes about her ability.