Pletcher BC positive; Hearing pending - Page 2

philcski · #21 12-05-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

think he meant Baffert.... he trained for the dead Saudi terrorist...

Not sure I'd definitely put him in that category automatically either. He hasn't had great stock lately, and the ones that were actually good (i.e. Midnight Lute, Midshipman) ran like it.

Antitrust32 · #22 12-05-2008, 12:35 PM

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Gosh do I have to spell it out, his initials. Remember the day he would take over the training of a horse, this happened once off a Mdn win, put her in a graded stk and would win silly. It happened.

mr frankel? LOL

Dr. Watson · #23 12-05-2008, 12:35 PM

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what does BF mean?

best friends. my wife is my bff!! I tell her that every day!

Antitrust32 · #24 12-05-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Not sure I'd definitely put him in that category automatically either. He hasn't had great stock lately, and the ones that were actually good (i.e. Midnight Lute, Midshipman) ran like it.

well I was wrong LOL

I do like baffert even if he does or does not cheat.

It seems like all the top guys do it... so I guess we can either not care or not bet.

Antitrust32 · #25 12-05-2008, 12:37 PM

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best friends. my wife is my bff!! I tell her that every day!

Oh my God.

MORTY!!!

CSC · #26 12-05-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Not sure I'd definitely put him in that category automatically either. He hasn't had great stock lately, and the ones that were actually good (i.e. Midnight Lute, Midshipman) ran like it.

He comes on with Steve on ATR on the rare occasion, since he might lurk here it is important to only say it's a suspicion. But one I feel he may be no different than Todd, except he was smart enough to avoid detection. Thus he has looked more human the past few years.

Antitrust32 · #27 12-05-2008, 12:42 PM

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He comes on with Steve on ATR on the rare occasion, since he might lurk here. It is important to only say it's a suspicion, but one I feel he may be no different than Todd, except he was smart enough to avoid detection. Thus he has looked more human the past few years.

You are definately talking about Chuck Simon... I've suspected him of cheating ever since Battle Won.

CSC · #28 12-05-2008, 12:46 PM

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You are definately talking about Chuck Simon... I've suspected him of cheating ever since Battle Won.

We know Chuck doesn't cheat...look at his win %.

It's a joke, don't blast me for that anyone.

Kasept · #29 12-05-2008, 12:46 PM

Before this turns into the Ox Bow Incident, be aware that the violation is for Penicillin G Procaine, a Class 3 violation. This is a routine antibiotic used regularly with horses for a million reasons. It is not something that is going to enhance performance.

What is stunning about this is how stupid a thing it is for the Pletcher barn to have been using in close proximity to a major event. It is amazing that a guy who runs a business like Pletcher, would allow use of Penicillin G Procaine near one of his Breeders' Cup scheduled runners even 45 or 60 days out.

And scheduled withdrawl for it is 15 days...

This isn't 'cheating'.. It's sloppiness.

Antitrust32 · #30 12-05-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

We know Chuck doesn't cheat...look at his win %.

It's a joke, don't blast me for that anyone.

LOL

Kapets is right though.. antibiotics dont seem too much like performance enhancing drugs. Maybe Chuck can weigh in.

Dr. Watson · #31 12-05-2008, 12:50 PM

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Maybe Chuck can weigh in.

i will guess 235.

Dr. Watson · #32 12-05-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Before this turns into the Ox Bow Incident, be aware that the violation is for Penicillin G Procaine, a Class 3 violation. This is a routine antibiotic used regularly with horses for a million reasons. It is not something that is going to enhance performance.

What is stunning about this is how stupid a thing it is for the Pletcher barn to have been using in close proximity to a major event. It is amazing that a guy who runs a business like Pletcher, would allow use of Penicillin G Procaine near one of his Breeders' Cup scheduled runners even 45 or 60 days out.

And scheduled withdrawl for it is 15 days...

This isn't 'cheating'.. It's sloppiness.

interesting take!!

philcski · #33 12-05-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Gosh do I have to spell it out, his initials. Remember the day he would take over the training of a horse, this happened once off a Mdn win, put her in a graded stk and would win silly. It happened.

Well, nobody is free from suspicion these days... hell I hear Hank is rippin' up the shakes these days....

CSC · #34 12-05-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

LOL

Kapets is right though.. antibiotics dont seem too much like performance enhancing drugs. Maybe Chuck can weigh in.

For the record, I haven't followed Chuck's horses in awhile but I have no doubt he is a very good trainer. I do recall him years ago doing some wonderful things with some of horses. In particular one in which he teamed up with Jon Court on which was a stakes winner. I remember having a bet on that one.

philcski · #35 12-05-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

For the record, I haven't followed Chuck's horses in awhile but I have no doubt he is a very good trainer. I do recall him years ago doing some wonderful things with some of horses. In particular one in which he teamed up with Jon Court on that was a stakes winner. I remember having a bet on that one.

Chuck IS a very good trainer- and I'm not just saying that since I own(ed) horses with him. He runs a tight ship with the equine's best interests in mind, knows the abilities of his current stock, has a great eye at the sales, and keeps his owners informed all the time.

So he doesn't get too big a head, 235 is pretty damned low estimate.

CSC · #36 12-05-2008, 01:05 PM

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Chuck IS a very good trainer- and I'm not just saying that since I own(ed) horses with him. He runs a tight ship with the equine's best interests in mind, knows the abilities of his current stock, has a great eye at the sales, and keeps his owners informed all the time.

So he doesn't get too big a head, 235 is pretty damned low estimate.

Didn't know he used to work for Lukas and Jerkins, anyway thanks for the info.

Antitrust32 · #37 12-05-2008, 01:09 PM

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i will guess 235.

its gotta be a lil more than that LOL... he is like 6'5"

Antitrust32 · #38 12-05-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

For the record, I haven't followed Chuck's horses in awhile but I have no doubt he is a very good trainer. I do recall him years ago doing some wonderful things with some of horses. In particular one in which he teamed up with Jon Court on which was a stakes winner. I remember having a bet on that one.

He's definately improved the DeeTee purchases. Especially Sumwonlovesyou. Chucks got skillz.

Perfect Million · #39 12-05-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Before this turns into the Ox Bow Incident, be aware that the violation is for Penicillin G Procaine, a Class 3 violation. This is a routine antibiotic used regularly with horses for a million reasons. It is not something that is going to enhance performance.

What is stunning about this is how stupid a thing it is for the Pletcher barn to have been using in close proximity to a major event. It is amazing that a guy who runs a business like Pletcher, would allow use of Penicillin G Procaine near one of his Breeders' Cup scheduled runners even 45 or 60 days out.

And scheduled withdrawl for it is 15 days...

This isn't 'cheating'.. It's sloppiness.

My boss doesn't use PPG because of the insane withdrawl time... no matter what it says the withdrawal time is, you can't go by it... there's several drugs out there like that... which is why they always make it a point to say "Suggested" Withdrawal times. If we have to treat a horse with Penn, we will give Potassium Penicillin because you could actually use it pretty close to a race (not that you'd really WANT to, because it'll flatten them).

CSC · #40 12-05-2008, 01:19 PM

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LOL

Kapets is right though.. antibiotics dont seem too much like performance enhancing drugs. Maybe Chuck can weigh in.

Let's go back to this point, Steve has stated that it is more to do with sloppiness and not cheating for this one particular incident.

The question for me is I have seen more than my share of "previously trained by" comments in the form and we all know he still has a pretty powerful stable. But he's lost quite a few owners, Melnyk for one. Which again the question to me is why? I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I don't believe enough of the news media has made light of this. I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what is happening here? If anything...

P.S For a time every owner it seemed was flocking to him, now they can't seem to get away fast enough.