Legends swing into gavel action

[ELA]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

The days of the $5 million horses are over. Id bet you couldnt find a handfull of horses in BB or NZ barn that went thru he ring under $300k-$500k.

And winning a N2X with a $500k horse is not exactly a success story.

Actually, that is very untrue about Zito. I can't speak to Baffert.

Eric

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

War Pass......$180K

Cool Coal Man.....$200K

Da' Tara........$175K

Coal Play.......$280K

Anak Nakal.......homebred

Sorry, I got the breakage wrong.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Chelsey Flower. First time after she was purchased from Tony Margotta.

Whoa -- now there's a trivia question! I couldn't have guessed that in a million years, but I remember it so well. Tony Margotta, does that bring back memories.

How about the breakfasts at the Margotta barn at the Spa?

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ELA

Whoa -- now there's a trivia question! I couldn't have guessed that in a million years, but I remember it so well. Tony Margotta, does that bring back memories.

How about the breakfasts at the Margotta barn at the Spa?

Eric

I miss the director's chairs with the owners' names on them.

Here's more trivia.....who trained Chelsey Flower when she broke her maiden first time out as a 2YO at Saratoga on the turf?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I miss the director's chairs with the owners' names on them.

Here's more trivia.....who trained Chelsey Flower when she broke her maiden first time out as a 2YO at Saratoga on the turf?

Why do I remember her running second at the Spa? Was that after she broke her maiden, or later on, maybe as a 3yo? Anyway, you got me there.

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

I think Carlos Martin trained her when she won her turf debut. I was wrong though....she did not win as a first time starter.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I miss the director's chairs with the owners' names on them.

Here's more trivia.....who trained Chelsey Flower when she broke her maiden first time out as a 2YO at Saratoga on the turf?

Jose Martin? I think Santos was up.

Heres one: who rode her to a 3rd place finish in a G2 at Hialeah?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Jose Martin? I think Santos was up.

Heres one: who rode her to a 3rd place finish in a G2 at Hialeah?

It may have been Jose and not Carlos. I do remember Robert Brennan putting about 40 dimes on her through the windows on the second floor of the clubhouse.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It may have been Jose and not Carlos. I do remember Robert Brennan putting about 40 dimes on her through the windows on the second floor of the clubhouse.

So he cashed for about $450k?? WOW!!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

So he cashed for about $450k?? WOW!!

I seem to remember him betting exactas which came buck, unsurprisingly, cheap.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Jose Martin? I think Santos was up.

Heres one: who rode her to a 3rd place finish in a G2 at Hialeah?

What year did she break her maiden? As you said, it might more likely be Jose Martin, not Carlos. For some strange reason, I remember he running 2nd at the Spa, maybe Jean-Luc winning the race on a big price horse, ???

I do not know who rode her to a 3rd place finish in a G2 at Hialeah. Far too detailed for me, LOL.

Eric

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by ELA

What year did she break her maiden? As you said, it might more likely be Jose Martin, not Carlos. For some strange reason, I remember he running 2nd at the Spa, maybe Jean-Luc winning the race on a big price horse, ???

I do not know who rode her to a 3rd place finish in a G2 at Hialeah. Far too detailed for me, LOL.

Eric

1993

[Danzig]

and here i always thought i had a good memory.

[VOL JACK]

Dale Beckner ran 3rd on her at 20-1 at Hia.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Dale Beckner ran 3rd on her at 20-1 at Hia.

Didn't remember that. He won 6 othe other day at Presque Isle. I spoke with him up at the Spa. He's naturally light, and small -- but most of all he's got very, very soft hands. A real light touch.

Eric

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

War Pass......$180K

Cool Coal Man.....$200K

Da' Tara........$175K

Coal Play.......$280K

Anak Nakal.......homebred

LaPenta has been absolutely KILLING it this year, hasn't he??

Farmer has had several "reasonably" priced/homebreds with major success with Zito as well.

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually most of them grind them up trying to be a TC horse. Turf horses generally involve patience and these guys usually have big crops coming in and simply dont have the patience to wait on turf horses. Nick hates poly but he doesnt exactly adore turf either. I cant remember the last good turf horse Lukas had (Steinlen?) and Baffert has had some luck i believe with a few turf fillies?

I'm most likely looking at this bass ackwards, but doesn't it seem like these guys could afford to be patient with young horses because they "do" continually get big crops and can send a lot of runners to the gate.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It may have been Jose and not Carlos. I do remember Robert Brennan putting about 40 dimes on her through the windows on the second floor of the clubhouse.

It was Jose Martin... Jorge Velasquez rode her, paid $20...

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Benny Leger

I'm most likely looking at this bass ackwards, but doesn't it seem like these guys could afford to be patient with young horses because they "do" continually get big crops and can send a lot of runners to the gate.

Trainers, to a great extent have to do what owners want. Sure, some can say "Hey this is what your horse needs, take it or leave it" but most (if they want to keep training horses) do what the owners want. Most owners (yes, even the very wealthy ones) want to earn money and or glory with their stables and want to do so fast. They want to win races like the Derby and the associated preps (Champagne, BCJuvie, Wood Memorial, Blue Grass) and guys like Zito, Baffert and DWL have proven that they can do this. If the owner wants to run in those races, that's the track the trainer points them for.
If guys like these say to these owners looking at their 2yo's at Saratoga, "he's a nice colt, I think he might be a nice turf router at age 4" they won't be training for that owner for long!

As for "butchery" a trainer that is a media magnet/media seekeer, is bound to be reported on when one goes bad. It gives the impression that the closed mouth guys (I include Pletcher in this category) never have a horse go bad or fail to live up to promise.
In the last 3 years, two of the most prominent breakdowns were Barbaro and Chelokee, yet Matz is a "fine horseman" and Zito is a "butcher?" Do explain.

Some times we tend to see beautifully bred babies and assume that if they don't pan out, that they were "destroyed" by the trainer. Many of them are just slow. They are not as good as their pedigree and looks would indicate. Hey, Jalil cost $9.7m and was just third at Suffolk to Judith's Wild Rush. Maybe he's just slow!

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

It was Jose Martin... Jorge Velasquez rode her, paid $20...

U r right Jorge did ride her when she broke her maiden. Santos rode her in her first 2 starts. (mdn clm on dirt)