8/30 (SAR): Forego; Woodward (Gr. I's) - Page 2

ArlJim78 · #21 08-28-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I can't see Divine Park pressing Wanderin Boy early, he's going to be more converned with where Curlin is. Past the Point seems more likely to be second early and he doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy without destroying the slim chances he has.

just pulled up the pp's, Pass The Point pressing Wanderin Boy? you'll have to point me to the race where he has shown that kind of speed.
On the other hand, Divine Park can easily cruise on the front end with WB.

to answer your first question, no I don't think WB can steal it.

SniperSB23 · #22 08-28-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

just pulled up the pp's, Pass The Point pressing Wanderin Boy? you'll have to point me to the race where he has shown that kind of speed.On the other hand, Divine Park can easily cruise on the front end with WB.

to answer your first question, no I don't think WB can steal it.

Isn't that exactly what I said? That he figures to sit second early but doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy. I don't think they will put Divine Park near the front. I think the last thing they want to do is duel with Wanderin Boy and hand the race to Curlin.

#23 08-28-2008, 04:00 PM

I'll throw up if Divine Park wins.

Gander · #24 08-28-2008, 04:03 PM

No Benny. And what happened to Fabulous Strike? Looks like a marquee showdown between Tasteyville & Premium Wine. Give the winner a red carpet ride to the BC Sprint and the Eclipse Award.

9th (5:13) Forego S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

2 First Defence Hill C 119 L
1 Forefathers Prado E S 117 L
3 Eternal Star Velazquez J R 117 L
4 Bold Start Albarado R J 117 L
1A Ferocious Fires Velasquez C 117 L
5 Premium Wine Leparoux J R 117 L
6 Real Estate Coa E M 117 L
7 Lucky Island (ARG) Garcia Alan 121 L
8 Greeley's Conquest Chavez J F 117 L
9 Tasteyville Luzzi M J 117 L

A-Coupled: Forefathers and Premium Wine

ateamstupid · #25 08-28-2008, 04:11 PM

It's a marquee showdown between two horses who got dusted by Lucky Island?

The race has no stars, but it at least looks like a good betting affair.

#26 08-28-2008, 04:11 PM

Tasteyville?

I hope you're joking.

Gander · #27 08-28-2008, 04:15 PM

I havent seen the PPs yet but Premium Wine ran a dapper dandy up here 2 weeks ago and Tasteyville is tough on his day. Then again if Mcglaughlin can get drop downs like Caesar Beware and Stream of Gold to win like they were Lures, he can get this piece up too.

#28 08-28-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I havent seen the PPs yet but Premium Wine ran a dapper dandy up here 2 weeks ago and Tasteyville is tough on his day. Then again if Mcglaughlin can get drop downs like Caesar Beware and Stream of Gold to win like they were Lures, he can get this piece up too.

Tasteyville has been out of the money in all three starts at Toga. IF he wins you'll have to back up the brinks truck at your house.

Scav · #29 08-28-2008, 04:23 PM

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Tasteyville has been out of the money in all three starts at Toga. IF he wins you'll have to back up the brinks truck at your house.

He has been eating too much ice cream....

Gander · #30 08-28-2008, 04:30 PM

LOL, nothing I bet could possibly win at any price. This is the worst meet I have ever been part of by a lot. I couldnt even get Indyanne to come close to winning. Its been pretty awful here.

Should I take one more stab or just call it quits and wait for next year?

ateamstupid · #31 08-28-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I havent seen the PPs yet but Premium Wine ran a dapper dandy up here 2 weeks ago and Tasteyville is tough on his day. Then again if Mcglaughlin can get drop downs like Caesar Beware and Stream of Gold to win like they were Lures, he can get this piece up too.

I don't get this at all.

Gander · #32 08-28-2008, 04:52 PM

I thought both of them were good bet againsts. They both ran like they werent. I was wrong. Thats all.

ArlJim78 · #33 08-28-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Isn't that exactly what I said? That he figures to sit second early but doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy. I don't think they will put Divine Park near the front. I think the last thing they want to do is duel with Wanderin Boy and hand the race to Curlin.

I don't get why Divine Park, who has more speed than Wanderin Boy, in a race that lacks a lot of speed, would consider throttling back, behind such slow horses as Pass The Point. I can't see Divine Park any further back then second by a length, and wouldn't be shocked to see him set the fractions.

dalakhani · #34 08-28-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Isn't that exactly what I said? That he figures to sit second early but doesn't have the speed to push Wanderin Boy. I don't think they will put Divine Park near the front. I think the last thing they want to do is duel with Wanderin Boy and hand the race to Curlin.

The only other time Divine Park went two turns, he went directly to the lead. But this isnt a five horse AOC at the Big A inner. Why would they risk dueling it out with Wanderin Boy and setting it up for Curlin? It seems like Divine Park is quite tractable (wanderin boy doesnt seem so) and it seems he runs pretty well coming from a few lengths back of the pace.

Sorry to say but i dont think Wanderin boy can steal it. He just isnt classy enough and it seems that extra turn and the better horses always end up getting the better of him. No knock on Wanderin Boy though.

CSC · #35 08-28-2008, 07:32 PM

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I don't get why Divine Park, who has more speed than Wanderin Boy, in a race that lacks a lot of speed, would consider throttling back, behind such slow horses as Pass The Point. I can't see Divine Park any further back then second by a length, and wouldn't be shocked to see him set the fractions.

I look at things a little differently from what others have said after his Met Mile win, Divine Park is obviously a better horse as a 4 yr old and he gives himself good trips. I wonder why do people knock him for that? He has won races on the lead, from just off the pace, and from off the pace. That's called versatility. I'm sure he's not going to be any great value on Saturday but he will atleast be in the 2/1 range with Curlin as the deserving heavy favorite. I know Curlin's last race was on turf and perhaps that is a reason why he only ran good/okay but I don't know I didn't really like his effort. If Curlin's 3/5 and Divine Park is 2/1 I think that's a great price differential to take Divine Park. On this track tactical speed is a major plus and right now I'm a believer in Divine Park. I don't think Mclaughlin would have bothered entering him if he didn't think he would run big Sat or get the 1 1/8.

On another note the bigger question is why did Frankel barring a late scratch enter Out of Control? Not like him to take on an overwhelming favorite like Curlin. Makes you think.

BTW to answer the topic question, anything is possible Wanderin Boy can lead this field a long way.

ateamstupid · #36 08-28-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I can't see Divine Park any further back then second by a length, and wouldn't be shocked to see him set the fractions.

I would be.

Gander · #37 08-28-2008, 07:51 PM

[quote=CSC]I look at things a little differently from what others have said after his Met Mile win, Divine Park is obviously a better horse as a 4 yr old and he gives himself good trips. Why knock him for that? He has won races on the lead, from just off the pace, and from off the pace. That's called versatility. I'm sure he's not going to be any great value on Saturday but he will atleast be in the 2/1 range with Curlin as the deserving heavy favorite. I know Curlin's last race was on turf and perhaps that is a reason why he only ran good/okay but I don't know I didn't really like his effort. If Curlin's 3/5 and Divine Park is 2/1 I think that's a great price differential to take Divine Park. On this track tactical speed is a major plus and right now I'm a believer in Divine Park. I don't think Mclaughlin would have bothered entering him if he didn't think he would run big Sat or get the 1 1/8.

On another note the bigger question is why did Frankel barring a late scratch enter Out of Control? Not like him to take on an overwhelming favorite like Curlin. Makes you think.

Because he is training well (on dirt) and he needs to run him somewhere. Hes already here and he could easily take a big piece of this big purse. He was to run in the Sword Dancer but got sick. I dont blame him for taking a shot.

I would be stunned if Wanderin Boy was not on the lead and most likely it will be all by himself. Still doesnt make me want to play him.

CSC · #38 08-28-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I would be.

I would be surprised also, one thing to look for is the jock Leparioux is not likely to fire a horse out of the gate unless he gets instructions to do so. If Leparioux decides to sit he may try to rate, however that last bullet work on WB's worktab signals a speed try.

CSC · #39 08-28-2008, 07:57 PM

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I look at things a little differently from what others have said after his Met Mile win, Divine Park is obviously a better horse as a 4 yr old and he gives himself good trips. Why knock him for that? He has won races on the lead, from just off the pace, and from off the pace. That's called versatility. I'm sure he's not going to be any great value on Saturday but he will atleast be in the 2/1 range with Curlin as the deserving heavy favorite. I know Curlin's last race was on turf and perhaps that is a reason why he only ran good/okay but I don't know I didn't really like his effort. If Curlin's 3/5 and Divine Park is 2/1 I think that's a great price differential to take Divine Park. On this track tactical speed is a major plus and right now I'm a believer in Divine Park. I don't think Mclaughlin would have bothered entering him if he didn't think he would run big Sat or get the 1 1/8.

On another note the bigger question is why did Frankel barring a late scratch enter Out of Control? Not like him to take on an overwhelming favorite like Curlin. Makes you think.

Because he is training well (on dirt) and he needs to run him somewhere. Hes already here and he could easily take a big piece of this big purse. He was to run in the Sword Dancer but got sick. I dont blame him for taking a shot.

I would be stunned if Wanderin Boy was not on the lead and most likely it will be all by himself. Still doesnt make me want to play him.

Yeah I completely understand your point, most trainers yes, however it's still just not like Frankel to run for a piece of the purse. The guy scratches more horses to avoid losing than just about any other trainer in racing today.

Gander · #40 08-28-2008, 08:02 PM

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Yeah I completely understand your point, most trainers yes, however it's still just not like Frankel to run for a piece of the purse. The guy scratches more horses to avoid losing than just about any other trainer in racing today.

True about Frankel. I bet this may be a prep for the Joe Hirsch on the turf at Belmont on 9/27? Would make sense. Its been a while since he ran, he got sick, so he really would need some sort of prep before he runs in a big turf race.