ESPN's Pat Forde

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...pat&id=3474191

What a scumbag this guy is. Dara Torres has been tested for over 20+ years with not one single positive test.

It is quite crazy to suspect an Olympic athlete of using performance enhancers. After all, it has never happened before has it?? How many positives has Bonds had?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Phelps is a freak... the slow mo's of his giant feet were incredible. He is a fish.

And if he does everything properly, he should be just as fast 19 years from now.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

It is quite crazy to suspect an Olympic athlete of using performance enhancers. After all, it has never happened before has it?? How many positives has Bonds had?

So now we're grouping all Olympic sports into one? You're a complete and utter buffoon.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

And if he does everything properly, he should be just as fast 19 years from now.

Again, you know absolutely nothing and are the target demographic of ESPN.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So now we're grouping all Olympic sports into one? You're a complete and utter buffoon.

You are the buffoon if you think performance enhancement has not one time occurred in international swimming...ever. I mean COMPLETE buffoon. This of course does not mean Torres drugs, but to think it is an impossibility is completely beyond naive.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Again, you know absolutely nothing and are the target demographic of ESPN.

I know...I am not in this internet board's cool club. I apologize.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Again, you know absolutely nothing and are the target demographic of ESPN.

Yes, it takes a know nothing to assume Michael Phelps will not be as fast at 41 as he is at 22. I think 99.9999 percent of the people on this board will agree with me that Phelps will not be as fast in the year 2027.

Barry Bonds is clean. He said so.

[horseofcourse]

I wish I could be so cool and smart as Coach Pants to utilize such an awesome avatar. May I have your autograph Coach Pants??

[horseofcourse]

I challenged Coach Pants..


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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

It is quite crazy to suspect an Olympic athlete of using performance enhancers. After all, it has never happened before has it?? How many positives has Bonds had?

I understand your point. But at the same time, isnt it a little irresponsible on the journalist's part to basically accuse her of wrong doing simply because of her success at her age?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I understand your point. But at the same time, isnt it a little irresponsible on the journalist's part to basically accuse her of wrong doing simply because of her success at her age?

He definitley implied to stir up some trouble.
And he accomplished that goal, on here anyway.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I understand your point. But at the same time, isnt it a little irresponsible on the journalist's part to basically accuse her of wrong doing simply because of her success at her age?

Perhaps it is irresponsible...but it is legitimate to do so. Very few athletes that have used performance enhancers come out and say they did and in fact most vehemently deny it. Torres saying she is clean and testing clean simply is that. I hope she's clean. However, a 41 year old swimming her best times in her life when she was world class over 20 years ago, just doesn't seem right. I don't think it is a huge problem for Forde to bring that up. Bonds broke the HR record simply through hard work if you ask him...and to a large extent, Bonds is right. But not completely.

Coach Pants insinuating that swimming is a clean sport is hilarious. Gary Hall has been involved in competetive swimming for a long time also. Ask him if he thinks anyone has used in the sport.

Once again you're a completely clueless jackass.

She goes through numerous tests throughout the year.

It's not like american swimming is fast in the freestyle sprint events. You would know this if you weren't occupied with being a pretentious clueless cu.nt on a message board.

You insinuating Phelps using is slanderous drivel. It's obvious you know absolutely nothing about swimming. NOTHING.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Perhaps it is irresponsible...but it is legitimate to do so. Very few athletes that have used performance enhancers come out and say they did and in fact most vehemently deny it. Torres saying she is clean and testing clean simply is that. I hope she's clean. However, a 41 year old swimming her best times in her life when she was world class over 20 years ago, just doesn't seem right. I don't think it is a huge problem for Forde to bring that up. Bonds broke the HR record simply through hard work if you ask him...and to a large extent, Bonds is right. But not completely.

Coach Pants insinuating that swimming is a clean sport is hilarious. Gary Hall has been involved in competetive swimming for a long time also. Ask him if he thinks anyone has used in the sport.

Okay, I agree with you that drugs are probably rampant in swimming. But lets make this more personal...

Imagine if she were your wife and the mother of your child. You see her bust her ass for how many hours a day.

Or how about she is your daughter?

Or how about if you were her?

And she has NEVER been found to do anything wrong. She is merely a victim of her own success and the tragic failings of others in the sportsworld in general.

I think creating stories out of thin air is incredibly unfair. Is it possible that she is a genetic freak? maybe?

I think authors like this prey upon the doubts we have as a society. Its fine to be skeptical but couldnt he have waited until there was some EVIDENCE before he went and wrote about it?

So now this woman's character is attacked. Are we going to start questioing her feminity next? Is that going to be further "proof" of her drug use or rather jusification to question whether she is on the juice or not? Because of the size of her head?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Once again you're a completely clueless jackass.

She goes through numerous tests throughout the year.

It's not like american swimming is fast in the freestyle sprint events. You would know this if you weren't occupied with being a pretentious clueless cu.nt on a message board.

You insinuating Phelps using is slanderous drivel. It's obvious you know absolutely nothing about swimming. NOTHING.

whoaa. highly aggressive.

Either way, i love your football picks.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

whoaa. highly aggressive.

Either way, i love your football picks.

You're clueless too. Rampant drugs in swimming...jesustapdancingchrist.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You're clueless too. Rampant drugs in swimming...jesustapdancingchrist.

Coach pants, your astounding ROI in your football picks over the last few seasons makes me utterly in awe of any judgement you might have on any subject.

You say no drugs, no drugs.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Coach pants, your astounding ROI in your football picks over the last few seasons makes me utterly in awe of any judgement you might have on any subject.

You say no drugs, no drugs.

Well case in point...

http://www.timedfinals.com/18062007/...for-july-18th/

Lost his world championship gold medal for testing positive for ADDERALL. Serious drug there.

If any of these athletes were taking steroids they would be banished from the sport and quite frankly the testing is extremely advanced and enforced.

To compare Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds to swimmers is beyond idiotic and horseofcourse is a vile, disgusting human being like Jesse Helms and I hope he gets ass cancer.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Once again you're a completely clueless jackass.

She goes through numerous tests throughout the year.

It's not like american swimming is fast in the freestyle sprint events. You would know this if you weren't occupied with being a pretentious clueless cu.nt on a message board.

You insinuating Phelps using is slanderous drivel. It's obvious you know absolutely nothing about swimming. NOTHING.

I never once insinuated Phelps used EVER on this thread. Not once. (I was attempting to make a joke that it would be easy for him to be just as fast in the year 2027 WITHOUT performance enhancers). I insinuated it would be ludicrous if he were still this fast in 2027 without them. But I have at no time ever stated I thought he was on anything right now...never. What I insinuated is that I think it is quite possible Torres has at times used performance enhancers like a very large number of world class athletes have done...(in all sports!!). I insinuated it would not be out of the question.

You have a vast reading comprehension problem. But you are oh so cool which makes it ok.

I have a teenage daughter who has been in competetive swimming for years. My wife swam competetively for years. I would venture to guess, I know more about swimming than you could possibly think that I do. Evidently, that is not nearly as much as you know about swimming but that is ok. I am personally involved in the sport through my family. I have carted my girl to more 5 am practices than I want to count. Considering I can't go into any of my kids rooms and not see a Michael Phelps poster really and truly make your posts on this thread extremely laughable. Mr Phelps is quite highly thought of in my household and for you to think I said he was a drug user in this thread is very laughable. You don't know me Coach Pants or much about me. But that is quite ok.

The American women haven't been that strong in freestyle sprinting...but the men pretty much dominate. I'm assuming you were talking about the women not being fast as the men have won 4 gold medals and 8 medals overall in the 50 free in the last 5 Olympics.

Considering you have over 8,000 more posts than me I'm not sure if I'm really the pretentious something or other you called me on this board. Perhaps that was just you putting your own predicament onto me. You'll have to educate me on that however.

AS always, thank you for your terrific attitude. I appreciate the education. Carry on. Make another cool response. I anxiously await. Regardless, I am of the belief that not 100 percent of international swimmers are 100 percent clean. I simply think the Torres story is questionable. Hopefully I am wrong. I usually am...ask Morty.

(My whole point to my original post was simply was that it was not invalid for Forde to bring this up considering the world we live in today and what has gone on with athletes. Yes, it may be unfair to do this to Torres, and perhaps she is the 100 percent all natural woman. But for a world class athlete to be better at 41 than they were at 20...25...30...35 is not normal by any means and brings forth legitimate questions. I do not think Bonds breaking Aarons record was an all natural event...perhaps it was...but I really don't think so. I question as does Forde that Torres doing this at 41 is all natural as well. If that makes me a vile human being so be it.)

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well case in point...

http://www.timedfinals.com/18062007/...for-july-18th/

horseofcourse is a vile, disgusting human being like Jesse Helms and I hope he gets ass cancer.

Why would you wish something like that on anyone?? I would never wish such a thing on you. With much work perhaps I can become as refined and polished a human being as you most obviously are. It may take much time however. I know I will never, ever in my lifetime be close to you in knowledge or coolness, but hopefully to be a non-vile and non-disgusting human being is still within my grasp...I'll really try to work on that.