Grasshopper ? ? ? - Page 2

VOL JACK · #21 07-01-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

What has happened to him ? is it just a case of a horse losing it ? i thought he was sitting on a big year, and its been far from that. I just watched his replays of his saratoga races last year, and they are both about as good as it gets. Is this the perfect example of a horse not holding his form from 3-4, and the reasson why we see many of are good-great horses retired so early ?

He wasnt helped by the ride that Gomez put on him in the Foster. If he runs 2nd in there instead of 4th, what is your opinion of him?

dalakhani · #22 07-01-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

hunting did not run in the travers, he could not have, and most good 3 yr olds do point to the travers, what else is there ?

Sightseeing (mistook one nag for another).

The Travers isnt what it use to be. Really, how many top three year olds have run in the thing in recent years? Smarty jones? No. Funny cide? No. Empire Maker? No. Afleet Alex? No. Fusaichi Pegasus? No. Bernardini, Point Given and Street sense were the only ones and the fields were walkovers.

jcs11204 · #23 07-01-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

He wasnt helped by the ride that Gomez put on him in the Foster. If he runs 2nd in there instead of 4th, what is your opinion of him?

i like grasshopper and i bet him in the foster... its the other ppl who dont like him

jcs11204 · #24 07-01-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Sightseeing (mistook one nag for another).

The Travers isnt what it use to be. Really, how many top three year olds have run in the thing in recent years? Smarty jones? No. Funny cide? No. Empire Maker? No. Afleet Alex? No. Fusaichi Pegasus? No. Bernardini, Point Given and Street sense were the only ones and the fields were walkovers.

ok listen this is again crazy.... smarty and alex were retired... empire and funny were both pointing there but if i remember correctly both became sick very close to the race, empire even prepped in the dandy...and the 3 that you named that did run were all amazing horses....

Bobby Fischer · #25 07-01-2008, 10:25 PM

he's been good to those who dislike him this season

dalakhani · #26 07-01-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

He wasnt helped by the ride that Gomez put on him in the Foster. If he runs 2nd in there instead of 4th, what is your opinion of him?

Gomez ride? Oh God do i hear more about Gomez rides on this site then anywhere else. If you only read this site you would think he was a bug rider on some dirt track in the sticks as opposed to being the top rider in the country.

The horse has never won a stake. He has only won a maiden and an allowance. So...my opinion of him is that he is an allowance horse.

Is there something i am missing?

jcs11204 · #27 07-01-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Gomez ride? Oh God do i hear more about Gomez rides on this site then anywhere else. If you only read this site you would think he was a bug rider on some dirt track in the sticks as opposed to being the top rider in the country.

The horse has never won a stake. He has only won a maiden and an allowance. So...my opinion of him is that he is an allowance horse.

Is there something i am missing?

as for gomez.... i recently stated that i think he's the most overrated rider out there, and i stand by that, he gives more bad rides then good ones....

dalakhani · #28 07-01-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

While I might agree the Travers isn't what it used to be, all of the horses you mentioned as not running were injured.

True...but how many of those "injuries" were really that seroius? I guess that is another topic. My point is, that if the travers was that important (like it use to be!) im sure those horses could have run.

jcs11204 · #29 07-01-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

While I might agree the Travers isn't what it used to be, all of the horses you mentioned as not running were injured.

my point, and the ones who were still in training were all pointing to the travers until the injury or sickness

VOL JACK · #30 07-01-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Gomez ride? Oh God do i hear more about Gomez rides on this site then anywhere else. If you only read this site you would think he was a bug rider on some dirt track in the sticks as opposed to being the top rider in the country.

The horse has never won a stake. He has only won a maiden and an allowance. So...my opinion of him is that he is an allowance horse.

Is there something i am missing?

I like Gomez as much as anyone, if i had a horse in a $1,000,000 race Id probaly give Ron Anderson a call before anyone.
However, Just go watch the replay.

jcs11204 · #31 07-01-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

True...but how many of those "injuries" were really that seroius? I guess that is another topic. My point is, that if the travers was that important (like it use to be!) im sure those horses could have run.

even if the travers is not what it used to be, its still a million doller grade 1, what is the alternative, and you cant say the monmouth race cause most use that as a prep for the travers....bluegrass cat, lion heart, and im sure there were more

dalakhani · #32 07-01-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I like Gomez as much as anyone, if i had a horse in a $1,000,000 race Id probaly give Ron Anderson a call before anyone.
However, Just go watch the replay.

Fair enough. But the second place finisher in that race was a turf horse. The third place finisher was a rat. Grasshopper finishing second really wouldnt have made much of a difference to me. Someone had to finish second. It was curlin and a bunch of nags.

jcs11204 · #33 07-01-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Fair enough. But the second place finisher in that race was a turf horse. The third place finisher was a rat. Grasshopper finishing second really wouldnt have made much of a difference to me. Someone had to finish second. It was curlin and a bunch of nags.

i think your missing the point, is there any shame with second place in 1 million grade 1 races ?

dalakhani · #34 07-01-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think your missing the point, is there any shame with second place in 1 million grade 1 races ?

No shame at all. But it doesnt mean anything these days really. I think you are missing the point.

And what is that point? These fields for these "grade 1" races are shallow. There isnt much quality in most of them especially the restricted three year old races in august.

What was in that Travers? Sightseeing (proven nag) and Cp west (proven nag) and grasshopper along with Street Sense. What did Grasshopper beat? Nothing. What did he beat before? Nothing. What has he beaten since? Nothing.

So you inferred that there was form reversal between three and four. I dont see it as i have said. He still hasnt won a stake in either year. He still hasnt beaten a decent horse in either year.

Where is the form reversal? You based his quality on a "grade 1" race devoid of quality outside of the winner and an allowance race devoid of quality altogether.

What am i missing?

jcs11204 · #35 07-01-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

No shame at all. But it doesnt mean anything these days really. I think you are missing the point.

And what is that point? These fields for these "grade 1" races are shallow. There isnt much quality in most of them especially the restricted three year old races in august.

What was in that Travers? Sightseeing (proven nag) and Cp west (proven nag) and grasshopper along with Street Sense. What did Grasshopper beat? Nothing. What did he beat before? Nothing. What has he beaten since? Nothing.

So you inferred that there was form reversal between three and four. I dont see it as i have said. He still hasnt won a stake in either year. He still hasnt beaten a decent horse in either year.

Where is the form reversal? You based his quality on a "grade 1" race devoid of quality outside of the winner and an allowance race devoid of quality altogether.

What am i missing?

everything in racing seems to be shallow... every division appears weak

jcs11204 · #36 07-01-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're wrong...

i dont think im wrong, never ever do you get any price on him... but he's not that good. he does not deserve the attention he gets, he's no jd bailey

Indian Charlie · #37 07-01-2008, 10:47 PM

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What has happened to him ? is it just a case of a horse losing it ? i thought he was sitting on a big year, and its been far from that. I just watched his replays of his saratoga races last year, and they are both about as good as it gets. Is this the perfect example of a horse not holding his form from 3-4, and the reasson why we see many of are good-great horses retired so early ?

Dude, the deal with Grasshopper is that he's about the only stakes horse around that can out-Tiago Tiago.

jcs11204 · #38 07-01-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Dude, the deal with Grasshopper is that he's about the only stakes horse around that can out-Tiago Tiago.

FAIR ENOUGH

dalakhani · #39 07-01-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

everything in racing seems to be shallow... every division appears weak

True and if grasshopper was anything but a rat nag, he would have won a stake by now. He would have won one last year. The fact is, he is still eligible for nx2.

dalakhani · #40 07-01-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Dude, the deal with Grasshopper is that he's about the only stakes horse around that can out-Tiago Tiago.

Tiago is a multiple graded stake winner. He has won a stake at three and four.

Grasshopper has won only a maiden and an allowance.

How can the two be compared?

There are more accomplished horses on a friday afternoon at presque isle downs.