Big Brown, Big Red and IEAH

[CSC]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I heard a lot of folks talk about Smarty Jones the same way..I loved Smarty but when Birdstone went by him realty hit me square in the face!

I think Baffert is pumping IEAH for business, from the amount of derby entries he has had of late it may be a smart move to use hyperbole.

[freddymo]

Baffert has plenty of clients with money..I think trainers are people too. They get caught up in the hype just like everyone else. There is plenty of reason to think Big Brown can be something very very special. The issue is he hasn't done anything so particularly amazing to suggest he is anything but a super nice grade 1 colt.

It's one thing to be a Hall of Framer it's another thing to be Babe Ruth

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm not sure what number is bigger.....the number of horses Gary Stevens rode or the number of best horses he ever rode.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I have actually worked up a quick translation of the initial post for those not willing to read it in its entirety.....



I have very little perspective on the top horses of the game over even the last 10 years, but I will pick the horse generally considered the best of the last half century, and completely inaccurately compare Big Brown to him.

All that was needed was perhaps a cheap shot at Red for not trying and winning on the turf to complete the masterpiece.

isn't it easier for somebody to just say..I love Big Brown..I think he is capable of incredible speed, although we have only seen it a couple of times.. And perhap he will dazzle us in 3 weeks.. I guess the internet makes everyone brave

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I have actually worked up a quick translation of the initial post for those not willing to read it in its entirety.....



I have very little perspective on the top horses of the game over even the last 10 years, but I will pick the horse generally considered the best of the last half century, and completely inaccurately compare Big Brown to him.

the 'blackthroated digest condensed post'--excellent idea!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

IEAH
Secretariat ran 6 more times after his majestic Belmont win. It was important for the racing public to revel in his greatness for those final 4 months before he was whisked away to the breeding shed. It is already confirmed Big Brown will not race as a four year old. He needs to face Curlin in the Breeder's Cup Classic.

The IEAH group has been painted as a self absorbed, self important, lot, that cares only about being profitable. Allowing Big Brown the opportunity to face Curlin in a match up that has not been seen in racing since Easy Goer/Sunday Silence would help improve their tarnished image. Sports have been built on great showdowns. Ali/Frazier, Lakers/Celtics, Nicklaus/Palmer, Bruins/Canadians, etc. As a racing fan, the anticipation for said match up would be at an all time high. The IEAH group would certainly earn my respect for keeping Big Brown in the game through that big event.

I don't think IEAH gives two figs for what racing fans want. Like any conglomerate, they're in this to make money. Glory and adulation is great, but it doesn't buy things, so I doubt we'll see Big Brown after the Belmont.

Which is why, though I've been waiting to see a Triple Crown since the first Derby I can remember (1983), I'm so lukewarm on this one. I can't believe it. I know, I know, don't blame the horse for his connections, but if there's someone who cares even less what I think than IEAH does, it's Big Brown.

(Or maybe I'm just mad at myself for not forking out the $$ for reserved seats back in March. I'll be eating sour grapes while I'm smooshed in with 100,000 people in three weeks. 'Cause, lukewarm as I am, I know I'm still gonna go.)

[CSC]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I don't think IEAH gives two figs for what racing fans want. Like any conglomerate, they're in this to make money. Glory and adulation is great, but it doesn't buy things, so I doubt we'll see Big Brown after the Belmont.

Which is why, though I've been waiting to see a Triple Crown since the first Derby I can remember (1983), I'm so lukewarm on this one. I can't believe it. I know, I know, don't blame the horse for his connections, but if there's someone who cares even less what I think than IEAH does, it's Big Brown.

(Or maybe I'm just mad at myself for not forking out the $$ for reserved seats back in March. I'll be eating sour grapes while I'm smooshed in with 100,000 people in three weeks. 'Cause, lukewarm as I am, I know I'm still gonna go.)

Then after he wins the Triple Crown because really I don't see anyone from that group that can beat him if he runs his race. It will be almost impossible to go to any message board because Big Brown will be proclaimed the greatest horse since Citation and or Secretariat. And that to me is just not right...Get the 'excuse my language' there is no other way to put it...barf bag ready gang.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by CSC

Then after he wins the Triple Crown because really I don't see anyone from that group that can beat him if he runs his race. It will be almost impossible to go to any message board because Big Brown will be proclaimed the greatest horse since Citation and or Secretariat. And that to me is just not right...Get the 'excuse my language' there is no other way to put it...barf bag ready gang.

Win or lose, I don't think he'll run after the Belmont. I can't imagine any way for his value to increase as a stud- I don't see running in any of the summer classics or in the BCC making any difference to his value.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Win or lose, I don't think he'll run after the Belmont. I can't imagine any way for his value to increase as a stud- I don't see running in any of the summer classics or in the BCC making any difference to his value.

Dutrow already said running a race like the Haskell would be pointless as it would do nothing for his value. He said if the horse is sound and the owners want to run him after the Belmont he would just run the Travers and BC Classic.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Dutrow already said running a race like the Haskell would be pointless as it would do nothing for his value. He said if the horse is sound and the owners want to run him after the Belmont he would just run the Travers and BC Classic.

Since they were going to put him on turf, they might figure he'll like poly, but I just don't see why they'd bother with the BCC as I don't think it'll increase his value any.

It'd be nice if they did run him after the Belmont, even for just two races, but I just doubt it.

[Grassy Knoll 518]

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R Killing The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

Rabble Rabble Caps Lock Rabble

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Grassy Knoll 518

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R Killing The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

And I'm sure Secretariat never had anything but hay, oats, and water.

[sumitas]

BB needs to be tested and have samples preserved so that they can be tested again in the future.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think you need to be tested. Seriously. Between never being right, the constant posting while intoxicated and the whole loving the animals in the creepiest way ever.

I think he was talking about taking semen samples from Big Brown. And in an indirect way he was volunteering his services.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Grassy Knoll 518

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

Oh Boy. We lose one and pick up another. It must be Happy Time in the local asylym.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Oh Boy. We lose one and pick up another. It must be Happy Time in the local asylym.

hey

Or they are one in the same......

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Grassy Knoll 518

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R Killing The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

Please go away...

[ateamstupid]

It's threads like this that create such polarization between Big Brown fans and detractors, because detractors can now point to this ****** and say "He's good, but he's not Secretariat", as if every fan of the horse has made that comparison.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's threads like this that create such polarization between Big Brown fans and detractors, because detractors can now point to this ****** and say "He's good, but he's not Secretariat", as if every fan of the horse has made that comparison.

Big Brown sucks. He only got a 78 CSSF (Cannon Shell Speed Figure). He got a raw CSSF of 106 but got a 28 point reduction for possum head running second.