$5.50 for this?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

i think gas was .64 when i started driving.......im old 2 ..........remember the racing times? i think that was what it was called. that was awesome.

I remember my Dad filling-up at the local Gulf station for .18 /gal

[MISTERGEE]

my fave is when in the comments they say something like the horse or trainer is worth choosing today because he is 50% at such and such, then you go to look it up and he is 1 for 2

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

i think gas was .64 when i started driving.......im old 2 ..........remember the racing times? i think that was what it was called. that was awesome.

enjoyed racing times but it didnt last long at all--
gas in so fla

1964 29 cents gal
1998 98 cent gal
today 3.89

son of a ---------------------

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Why not have the M/L next to the horses name in the PP's so I don't need to spend the 1st half an hour I sit down with the FORM transposing them from the Graded Entries? How about listing the conditions of the race on top of each page the race is associated with? Why not add somewhere if the race is 1 turn or 2 turns? Is it a secret that only the most knowledgeable horseplayer is allowed to know how many turns are in a race at all of the different racetracks throughout the country?

I agree 100% about the M/L needing to be next to the entries and well as the conditions on each page. However, the 1 or 2 turn thing is taken care of by the configuration of the track and start/finish position of each race to the right of the conditions.

[Cannon Shell]

If you are using the graded's ML as your ML you are in trouble from the start

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you are using the graded's ML as your ML you are in trouble from the start

You have something against Hammersly's M/L's? Is there somewhere besides making my own that I should be getting them from?

And if that's the case, just another example of dimminshed quality? Not being able to use the M/L from horse racing's premiere paper.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

You have something against Hammersly's M/L's? Is there somewhere besides making my own that I should be getting them from?

And if that's the case, just another example of dimminshed quality? Not being able to use the M/L from horse racing's premiere paper.

They are often way off base

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I agree 100% about the M/L needing to be next to the entries and well as the conditions on each page. However, the 1 or 2 turn thing is taken care of by the configuration of the track and start/finish position of each race to the right of the conditions.

That would take care of the race itself, but I am talking past races...like 1 mile on the inner (which they don't run, but as an example) would be 2 turns, while 1 mile on the Main at AQU is 1...a mile and an eighth at AQU is 2 turns while at BEL it is 1 turn...so if you aren't someone who watches something involving horses on a daily basis, you might not know that when looking at PP's...what would be the harm in making some kind of designation in the PP's?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

That would take care of the race itself, but I am talking past races...like 1 mile on the inner (which they don't run, but as an example) would be 2 turns, while 1 mile on the Main at AQU is 1...a mile and an eighth at AQU is 2 turns while at BEL it is 1 turn...so if you aren't someone who watches something involving horses on a daily basis, you might not know that when looking at PP's...what would be the harm in making some kind of designation in the PP's?

They run 1 mile on the inner almost every day. It's so biased to the inside 3 posts it's laughable, however.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by philcski

They run 1 mile on the inner almost every day. It's so biased to the inside 3 posts it's laughable, however.

I didn't think they ran a flat mile, I thought it was like a mile and 70 yards...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I didn't think they ran a flat mile, I thought it was like a mile and 70 yards...

Both... used to be more of the mile & 70 variety but for whatever reason they've trended towards the flat mile the last few winters.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by philcski

They run 1 mile on the inner almost every day. It's so biased to the inside 3 posts it's laughable, however.

Happy 3 thousandth post Phil.......


The DRF is the Kleenex of daily racing publications. Although they haven't come up with anything new in many years to offset the tools challenging for market share such as TGH or Ragozin to name a few they remain the standard by which all racing information is evaluated while still putting out a very reasonable product that is about 20% of the cost of TGH for a single track.

You can do far worse than spending $5.50 for 5-8 tracks with several daily columnlist reporting the news and events of the industry....

Try playing this game without PP's and trainer angles and see how quickly you miss them.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Happy 3 thousandth post Phil.......


The DRF is the Kleenex of daily racing publications. Although they haven't come up with anything new in many years to offset the tools challenging for market share such as TGH or Ragozin to name a few they remain the standard by which all racing information is evaluated while still putting out a very reasonable product that is about 20% of the cost of TGH for a single track.

You can do far worse than spending $5.50 for 5-8 tracks with several daily columnlist reporting the news and events of the industry....

Try playing this game without PP's and trainer angles and see how quickly you miss them.

So your point is that since they include Thisledown, River Downs and Calder (which I don't think anyone can bet, I know I can't), that it is okay that they overcharge us and not care that there are errors strewn throughout, that their analysis is being viewed as poor by one (if not more) of their readers, that apparently (according to Chuck) their M/L is a joke and that suggestions made by their readers on how to possibly improve their product are dismissed without response?

No I definitely do not want to try and play the game without PP's, but I would like it more if they looked at their "Kleenex" type product and removed the boogers from it.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Honestly, it's pretty easy to determine if a race is 1 turn or 2. It's not like replays are hard to obtain for a lot of tracks. It almost sounds like you want everyone to do the work for you. There is a sizeable advantage in this game for players who put the time into handicapping, watching races, etc. The DRF in my opinion is a good start. It's up to us all how much other handicapping we want to do.

Personally, I know which is which but I don't think it is that easy honestly. 1 mile races can be tricky and you need to know which tracks have a 1 mile chute and which ones don't. But what is it some kind of exclusive club? That's like saying, you should know which racetracks are Polytrack and which are Dirt and if you don't too bad? Do you also object to that information being in the PP's?

[slotdirt]

I'd pay $5.50 to get this thread to stop.

[TheSpyder]

I have some old forms from the 80's and if you look at them they appear blank. There's so much more information in today's form than previously someone from back then would be shocked at the details now included and consider it a bargin. BY the way, I too am 1000 miles from anywhere to buy a form and do everything on line anyway.

Personally though, I prefer Brisnet, but that's me.

Spyder

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

in 2096 the replays will be in holographic form with every drf..though the cost will be about 550.bucks in euros...

[geeker2]

Tax Big Oil and subsidize DRF

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

in 2096 the replays will be in holographic form with every drf..though the cost will be about 550.bucks in euros...

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You obviously don't, because you said so earlier. It's not a club. But isn't there some kind of responsibility on YOU, you know the one actually betting. The DRF can only show so much. You seem angry they aren't showing you more. How about a little good old fashioned work? In terms of not knowing which tracks are and aren't synthetic, if you follow the sport and wager your money and do not know by now which tracks are or aren't, please, bet more.

Seriously, you guys are amazing. Remember when Andy had his "time off" because posting here was more work than it was worth. Well, people like you are the reason. Where in ANY of my posts did I ever say I didn't know? I may have said that I thought the 1 mile races were actually 1 mi and 70 yrds on the Inner at AQU, but I never said I didn't know which races were 1 or 2 turns. Read the posts before becoming all elitest. I said it would be a welcome addition to the PP's. Seriously, what would be the harm. This way I wouldn't have to explain it to whomever I am with that day that doesn't spend 5-6 days a week watching horseracing. You pick out one freaking thing people say a harp on it to no end. How about the other points? CLOSER LOOK is f'in lame...argue that...They can't even put in the pertinant Trainer stats consistantly...argue that...is there harm in putting the m/l in the actual PP's? What the hell are peoples problem on this board. Mr "I know every track configuration in the country, you should too" DaHoss, doesn't like one thing I say and I'm a slacker...Get real people...