Whose was/is the best? - Page 2

#21 07-16-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

As for the best horse of all time what about Red Rum? The horse only won the Grand National (Aintree, England) three times and came in second twice out of five runs.... And this wasn't 100 years ago but in the 70's.

And what about Arkle?

somerfrost · #22 07-16-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

OK ... I completely agree with each of those rankings.

So ... where do you have Barcaldine, Flying Fox, Ormonde, Hindoo, Commando, Galopin, Hamburg, St. Frusquin, Springfield, Rock Sand, Bahram, Cyllene, Hyperion, Isinglass, Carbine, and Mayan King?

And shouldn't your #31 horse be spelled "Pot-oooooooo" as it was originally scrawled outside his stall?

And how long do you think it will be before all thoroughbreds trace directly from Whalebone?

Many I don't have in top 100...Hyperion is #35, Ormonde is #36, and Isinglass is #46. Potoooooooo's name was shortened to Pot8os I believe by his groom (not sure) and he's usually referred to thusly. Over 90% of all modern sires already trace to Whalebone. The son of Waxy, he the son of Pot8os...Pot8os of course the son of the great Eclipse!

dellinger63 · #23 07-16-2006, 08:59 PM

Sommer
Thanks for including Exterminator.100 starts 50 wins 17 seconds and 17 thirds is absolutely amazing to me. Won at distances ranging from 6f to 2 miles and "Old Bones" is my favorite though he probably wasn't the 'greatest' ever.
What a thrill it must have been to be the owner of a horse who finished in the money 84 times out of 100.

TheSpyder · #24 07-16-2006, 09:10 PM

Google Arkle. BB I'm impressed

jpops757 · #25 07-16-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

But I did mistakenly leave Ghostzapper off my list. He definitely belongs on there.

Yes indeed. Ghostzapper is a lot more worthy than Point Given.

Even tho he was a late blommer Ill take Tiznow ahead of the Zapper and PG. When he retired he was beating all commers.

somerfrost · #26 07-16-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

Even tho he was a late blommer Ill take Tiznow ahead of the Zapper and PG. When he retired he was beating all commers.

I honestly believe that Tiznow is the most underrated horse of the past 25 years, I rank him #33 and feel very strongly that he could have been even better than that! Point Given impressed me greatly as well, he receives a #47 ranking despite not facing older; Ghostzapper was an excellent horse but is not ranked.

somerfrost · #27 07-16-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sommer
Thanks for including Exterminator.100 starts 50 wins 17 seconds and 17 thirds is absolutely amazing to me. Won at distances ranging from 6f to 2 miles and "Old Bones" is my favorite though he probably wasn't the 'greatest' ever.
What a thrill it must have been to be the owner of a horse who finished in the money 84 times out of 100.

It's also a fact that the connections of Man O War ducked this horse....he was a warrior!

somerfrost · #28 07-16-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Google Arkle. BB I'm impressed

Arkle stands alone over fences, I only include horses who raced over the flat in my rankings!

brockguy · #29 07-16-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Arkle stands alone over fences, I only include horses who raced over the flat in my rankings!

Arkle is ridicously famous here.. Great story of him being fed 2 bottles of Guinness a day.. He simply was extraordinary giving other champions of his era 28pounds or more over 3miles plus and destroying them.. Cant be compared with flat but any jumps fan would tell you that he is the best ever, Only Flyingbolt comes close.

On the flat, Id regard Ribot, Sea Bird as the best turf horses there has ever been, both unbelievable racehorses!

#30 07-16-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

BB I'm impressed

It took you long enough ... but ...

... stick around ... you'll be typing those words a lot.

In fact ... it may be easier if you just copy and paste them after each of my posts.

#31 07-16-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Arkle stands alone over fences, I only include horses who raced over the flat in my rankings!

Well ... at least you're making some distinctions ... instead of trying to evaluate every single thoroughbred who has ever been registered ... and even some who raced before there was a registry.

But you still haven't told us your evaluation method. For instance ... why is Hyperion on the list ... while Bahram isn't ... when every knowledgable British authority of the 1930's rated Bahram as being much better?

And ... how did you compare Flying Childers ... a British foal of 1715 who competed in only three competitive races at ages 6 and 7 ... facing a total of four opponents ... with, say, Forego ... an American foal of 1970 ... who competed 57 times from 3 to 8 ... and faced hundreds of opponents ... and conclude that Flying Childers was the better race horse?

And how did you compare Henry Of Navarre with Lammtarra ... and which did you conclude was better?

kentuckyrosesinmay · #32 07-17-2006, 07:03 AM

I think that Spectacular Bid was the greatest route horse ever to set foot on the racetrack. After doing some research and reading about him, I think he was even better than Secretariat.

blackthroatedwind · #33 07-17-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I honestly believe that Tiznow is the most underrated horse of the past 25 years, I rank him #33 and feel very strongly that he could have been even better than that! Point Given impressed me greatly as well, he receives a #47 ranking despite not facing older; Ghostzapper was an excellent horse but is not ranked.

Tiznow is 33.....Point Given is 47....Ghostzapper not in the top 100.

That's funny.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I am impressed with you volumous knowledge of racing history, but the above mentioned ratings are what's known in the handicapping community as a " bad opinion ".

I suppose if he had been grazing while giving a field of five claimers a head start he could have moved into the top 20?

sham · #34 07-17-2006, 08:10 AM

If one is going to rank horses on some list, then one simply must also provide their criterion to support those rankings...otherwise, said rankings are no more than an anal extraction.

JJP · #35 07-17-2006, 08:46 AM

I'm only going to go back to 1980, since other than the TC races, I didn't follow racing before then:

Distance: (male) Spectacular Bid (female) Princess Rooney
Sprinter: (male) Artax (female) Safely Kept
Turf: (male) tie- Manila & John Henry (female) Miesque

#36 07-17-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I think that Spectacular Bid was the greatest route horse ever to set foot on the racetrack. After doing some research and reading about him, I think he was even better than Secretariat.

You're undoubtedly basing your opinion on the great year Spectacular Bid had as a 4YO.

While they were about equal as 2YOS ... there's no comparison as 3YOS ... Secretariat was much, much better.

Secretariat was unable to race as a 4YO because of pre-Reagan socialist death taxes. A straight-up comparison of what they did at comparable ages ... shows Secretariat winning ... ridden out.

randallscott35 · #37 07-17-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I think that Spectacular Bid was the greatest route horse ever to set foot on the racetrack. After doing some research and reading about him, I think he was even better than Secretariat.

I will be making this case soon. Doing a write-up. But I agree with you. Can't say he was the best ever, but can say he was better than Secretariat.

#38 07-17-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I will be making this case soon. Doing a write-up. But I agree with you. Can't say he was the best ever, but can say he was better than Secretariat.

No you can't ... not on what he did as a 2YO and 3YO.

Secretariat's achievements tower over those of Spectacular Bid at comparable ages.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #39 07-17-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I will be making this case soon. Doing a write-up. But I agree with you. Can't say he was the best ever, but can say he was better than Secretariat.

My point was that everyone puts Secretariat on top of their lists as the best ever, but if you look upon the history of the sport, I think that there are others that could deservedly fill that top spot other than Secretariat.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #40 07-17-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

No you can't ... not on what he did as a 2YO and 3YO.

Secretariat's achievements tower over those of Spectacular Bid at comparable ages.

Okay...they both had 12 starts in their three year old year.

Secretariat won 9.

Spectacular Bid won 10.

Two Year Old Year.

Secretariat won 7 out of 9.

Spectacular Bid won 7 out of 9.
However SB set two new track records that two year old season. Secretariat didn't set any records.