"You don't throw a whole life away just cause it's banged up a little"

Originally Posted by cakes44

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me because my opinion is different than yours. If you want to use the dictionary definition for disease, than sure alcoholism is a disease. Under that definition, all wife-beaters also have a "disease", and I disagree. I try to narrow it down some because when think of the word "disease", I don't think of people who wouldn't be "diseased" if they decide to act differently.

O/T. Do you believe in the death penalty?

[cakes44]

Yes, but not like Texas-style death penalty where it turns into straight eye-for-eye. However, I do believe there are some people(very few) who have earned that right.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cakes44

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me because my opinion is different than yours. If you want to use the dictionary definition for disease, than sure alcoholism is a disease. Under that definition, all wife-beaters also have a "disease", and I disagree. I try to narrow it down some because when think of the word "disease", I don't think of people who wouldn't be "diseased" if they decide to act differently.

You make an assertion that somehow intellegence is tied to these issues and you are insulted? Maybe you are intellegent. But you may also be ignorant. Look that up.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by cakes44

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me because my opinion is different than yours. If you want to use the dictionary definition for disease, than sure alcoholism is a disease. Under that definition, all wife-beaters also have a "disease", and I disagree. I try to narrow it down some because when think of the word "disease", I don't think of people who wouldn't be "diseased" if they decide to act differently.

putting wife beaters and alcoholics in the same category is wrong

[cakes44]

Exactly my point Bob.

Cannon, I think you misunderstood me. The reason i put the word intelligence in there is because, according to the widely used definition, those people who lack intelligence(including me in your opinion) would be considered to have a "disease" as well. We're not all wired the same. That doesn't mean that everybody with faults has a "disease", no matter how difficult that fault is to deal with for that person.

[AeWingnut]

so... this guy who has several DUIs goes out and kills two women
if he was in jail already the odds that two innocent people would not be dead are good.

Just tired of everytime someone commits a crime the victims are ignored
while the offender is given a pass

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

You not think they are diseases?

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

I had a shot of moonshine yesterday....for medicinal perpouses ..

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

There are pills out there that if you take them, then drink alcohol, you become very ill.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

I had a shot of moonshine yesterday....for medicinal perpouses ..

LOL...explains the slurring voicemail you left me yesterday.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GPK

LOL...explains the slurring voicemail you left me yesterday.

could have been some fine ladys lifting shirts for beads..

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

There are pills out there that if you take them, then drink alcohol, you become very ill.

Yeah,I mean before you guys get a taste (or feel of it.) Something teenagers at risk for alcoholism get when they go for routine check-ups.Something long-term like Hepatitis B shots are given to hospital workers.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

im sure we can come up with a with a shot for readboarding and outlandish reasoning in regaurds to horses abilitys on the internet.........

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

im sure we can come up with a with a shot for readboarding and outlandish reasoning in regaurds to horses abilitys on the internet.........

I thought there was one out already....they call them Mind Erasers

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Exactly my point Bob.

Cannon, I think you misunderstood me. The reason i put the word intelligence in there is because, according to the widely used definition, those people who lack intelligence(including me in your opinion) would be considered to have a "disease" as well. We're not all wired the same. That doesn't mean that everybody with faults has a "disease", no matter how difficult that fault is to deal with for that person.

Sorry if you took offense.A fault is one thing. Being rude or pig headed are faults. A "fault" that directly leads to destructive behavior is more than a fault.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

Though I agree this would most certainly be helpful, the ACLU would have a field day with it as soon as they have run out of terrorists to defend.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Maybe I'm just real pissy about what happened last night....

But this is a another thread that wore my scroll wheel out.

[Oaklawnfan]

Doesn't Cole Norman's trial start soon?

[Danzig]

i do have a question or two about alcoholism. i personally never considered it as a disease...but i concede i could be wrong about that.

at any rate, both my parents are very heavy drinkers. i have referred to them in conversations as alcoholics. my mothers father, and some of her brothers were/are as well-and some of their children. but i'm not an alcoholic, neither are my two sisters and brother--but my brother did get hooked on internet gaming. i've told my kids they are pre-disposed to having an addictive personality, since tonys parents also drink like fish.. thankfully so far, so good.
is it like other diseases, can be carried, but not necessarily passed on? or does it require more than just the genes?
tony and i did both smoke, but we both quit cold turkey.

Originally Posted by Danzig

i do have a question or two about alcoholism. i personally never considered it as a disease...but i concede i could be wrong about that.

at any rate, both my parents are very heavy drinkers. i have referred to them in conversations as alcoholics. my mothers father, and some of her brothers were/are as well-and some of their children. but i'm not an alcoholic, neither are my two sisters and brother--but my brother did get hooked on internet gaming. i've told my kids they are pre-disposed to having an addictive personality, since tonys parents also drink like fish.. thankfully so far, so good.
is it like other diseases, can be carried, but not necessarily passed on? or does it require more than just the genes?
tony and i did both smoke, but we both quit cold turkey.

This is basically an old genetics theme called penetrance. 100% penetrance means a certain gene will determine some physical/biochemical characteristics for example eye color. If you have the two recessive genes for eye color you will have blue eyes. Now you might put brown colored contacts on... but your eyes are blue.

Most genes do not have 100% penetrance, its somewhere in between. However it is very clear, just like cancer, some people have a GENETIC predisposition to alcholism. Now if they stay away from the stuff, they never become an alcholic. Others have a much lower likelyhood of becoming an alcoholic, but they clearly can if they drink enough.

It is the same way with many mental disorders. Some have a very high penetrance and some require the right environmental conditions to make the disease manifest itself. But make no mistake, depressed people, schizo, have VERY diff. brain chemistry than normal happy folks. Very diff. But because it is not obviously seen (like a missing arm) then people assume it does not exist. But from a biochemical point of view these mental disorders clearly exist.