John Ward

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I don't know how owners, like oxley, that put millions into the game can withstand not getting any real results.

Overbrook still gives horse to Lukas and D. stewart.
Ed Evans still gives Mark Hening plenty of stock. I don't get it.

On the other end of the spectrum, I think a guy like Ken McPeek is one who does alot with much less in terms of overall stock. He wins with $7500 claimers as well as stakes-placed horses. His stable has a good number of horses who were purchased for $50K or less at auction and they are productive on the track. He won races at two different tracks today (2 at GP & 1 at TP) and with Stratostar yesterday, a horse he has skillfully managed. He is very good at spotting his runners and they usually are ready to run.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's the only horse in the race that basically has no chance.

lol! thanks.
^he's cheap but I like his recent form a little bit, i am considering using him 2nd/3rd in something.
Small field and no world beaters but it is a somewhat interesting race. Portobello Road may actually get in a decent position early, is no lock to finish 9 furlongs. I am not really high on Dr. Pleasure... Maybe Corny/Pleasure wins this with simply a forwardly placed solid run?
Giant Chieftan isn't a bad horse either, but Prado has to keep him in the ballpark and get him up to the wire.

oh yea forgot to bash Ward

[whodey17]

BTW--when did you become a professional on judging horses talent? Where you in the barn at the time Mr. Ward made this comment? Where you there to watch every workout, every feeding every move each horse made. I would say you weren't. Mr Ward trained Monarchos, consulted Mr Sekiguchi with the purchase of Fu Peg (and trained the horse early in his career), and trained Beautiful Pleasure. Also, Dr Pleasure has been hampered by injuries throughout most of his career. Who is to say how good Dr Pleasure could have been if it wasn't for the injuries.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Quite possibly the finest post in DT history. The guy with a hard on for Zito, is defending one of the most underachieving trainers in this era.

Wow, John Ward consulted an owner on the purchase of the sales topper from the Keeneland sale? How did he do it? Helen Keller could have seen the horse was the goods, it's why he sold for $4 million douche.

I pose this question, just how good could horses like Monarchos, Beautiful Pleasure and Sky mesa have been without a horrendous trainer? I'd say pretty good. Stick to your strong suit, talking sh it and mythical bets.

With all the money Oxley has spent; there should be more than 3 noteworthy horses.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Quite possibly the finest post in DT history. The guy with a hard on for Zito, is defending one of the most underachieving trainers in this era.

Wow, John Ward consulted an owner on the purchase of the sales topper from the Keeneland sale? How did he do it? Helen Keller could have seen the horse was the goods, it's why he sold for $4 million douche.

I pose this question, just how good could horses like Monarchos, Beautiful Pleasure and Sky mesa have been without a horrendous trainer? I'd say pretty good. Stick to your strong suit, talking sh it and mythical bets.

Also, strong contender showed more in his maiden win than dr pleasure has shown at any and all points in his entire career.

i was utterly flabbergasted at the time ward made that comment proclaiming that this horse was better than SC.

that comment by ward ranks up there as one of the three biggest idiotic remarks by a trainer i've ever heard or read. The other two being ellis with declan's moon and gary jones with apollo.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Also, strong contender showed more in his maiden win than dr pleasure has shown at any and all points in his entire career.

i was utterly flabbergasted at the time ward made that comment proclaiming that this horse was better than SC.

that comment by ward ranks up there as one of the three biggest idiotic remarks by a trainer i've ever heard or read. The other two being ellis with declan's moon and gary jones with apollo.

Right. Also at that time Minister's Bid was very promising with the closing maiden win on the speed biased Keeneland (old dirt) track, and then the good win over Flashy Bull in the allowance.
I had a hunch at the time that Ward made those comments, he was probably feeling good about all three, and that Pleasure may have been a personal favorite of Oxley. Just a hunch.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Right. Also at that time Minister's Bid was very promising with the closing maiden win on the speed biased Keeneland (old dirt) track, and then the good win over Flashy Bull in the allowance.
I had a hunch at the time that Ward made those comments, he was probably feeling good about all three, and that Pleasure may have been a personal favorite of Oxley. Just a hunch.

I agree. It's hard not to think he felt attached to him because of Beautiful Pleasure. And that's understandable. It doesn't change the obvious silliness of the comment at the time, however, and a better comment would have alluded to that. Regardless, however, who would have believed that Dr. Pleasure would still be eligible for a NW1X almost two and a half years after his very promising debut?

As a horseplayer, and race fan, it's most disappointing that Ward's horses seem to run very infrequently, and appear to fall victim to injuries far more often that others. Maybe he's had a bad selection....but the numbers sure don't look good.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree. It's hard not to think he felt attached to him because of Beautiful Pleasure. And that's understandable. It doesn't change the obvious silliness of the comment at the time, however, and a better comment would have alluded to that. Regardless, however, who would have believed that Dr. Pleasure would still be eligible for a NW1X almost two and a half years after his very promising debut?

As a horseplayer, and race fan, it's most disappointing that Ward's horses seem to run very infrequently, and appear to fall victim to injuries far more often that others. Maybe he's had a bad selection....but the numbers sure don't look good.

Ward selects the horses at auctions

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree. It's hard not to think he felt attached to him because of Beautiful Pleasure. And that's understandable. It doesn't change the obvious silliness of the comment at the time, however, and a better comment would have alluded to that. Regardless, however, who would have believed that Dr. Pleasure would still be eligible for a NW1X almost two and a half years after his very promising debut?

As a horseplayer, and race fan, it's most disappointing that Ward's horses seem to run very infrequently, and appear to fall victim to injuries far more often that others. Maybe he's had a bad selection....but the numbers sure don't look good.

Which makes his stint as the "trainers voice" on the KHRA even more laughable. He was constantly pointed out as the "good" example in the KHRA vs. the KYHBPA battle over medication rules. I pointed out at one of the hearings that if we all raced our horses as much as Ward did there would only need to be one day of racing per month. Of course Mrs Whitfield in her typically delightful manner refused to acknowledge my comment. As a trainer who has stated that horses shouldnt be running on any medication, his actions or lackthereof as a trainer seem to make a good indication of what happens when they dont. He has a barn full of high dollar horses with the backing of an extremely wealthy owner, yet his horses rarely ever have any sort of campaign and are almost always at their peak within the first 2 or 3 races of their careers.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

that comment by ward ranks up there as one of the three biggest idiotic remarks by a trainer i've ever heard or read. The other two being ellis with declan's moon and gary jones with apollo.

If Ron Ellis had Dr. Pleasure, his long range goal would be a 2nd attempt at the Travers.

Maybe John's wife gets jealous of the good horses in the barn and clubs them.