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Old 08-30-2007, 04:25 PM
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Oh C'mon. Are you that naive to think it was easy as that. Hello? The liberal media just panders to people like you. I'm not completely insensitive, but much of what happened in New Orleans was avoidable. CHOICES!!
Good Choices, Good Consequenses. Bad Choices, Bad Consequenses.
I'm as conservative as the day is long. I've been through upper Michigan "snow-outs" and also SoFlorida hurricanes, going 5+ days in each with no electricity. The aftermath of a serious hurricane is FAR more serious than that of a blizzard. Like I said, it ain't close.
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Old 08-30-2007, 04:37 PM
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I'm as conservative as the day is long. I've been through upper Michigan "snow-outs" and also SoFlorida hurricanes, going 5+ days in each with no electricity. The aftermath of a serious hurricane is FAR more serious than that of a blizzard. Like I said, it ain't close.
Well, OK. Like I said I'm not going to try to equate the two, but the blame game that went on after this was just crazy. I'm not big on running to the Federal governments defense, but this idiot Mayor and even bigger idiot governor almost lost their fingers from pointing the blame so quick. There were definitely mistakes made and it was a tragedy unmatched by much in the history of our country, but I don't feel the least bit sorry for one single sole living there today.
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Well, OK. Like I said I'm not going to try to equate the two, but the blame game that went on after this was just crazy. I'm not big on running to the Federal governments defense, but this idiot Mayor and even bigger idiot governor almost lost their fingers from pointing the blame so quick. There were definitely mistakes made and it was a tragedy unmatched by much in the history of our country, but I don't feel the least bit sorry for one single sole living there today.
What about the flounder?
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Interesting to see what this thread has to say. Well I guess some one from here should respond. I hardly watched yesterday and knew it would either be wonderful things happening or just horrible. I did catch the woman from St. Bernard Housing project whining that they are not rebuilding it. But those are the ones that get attention, mainly hard working people have picked up and regained their lives whether it be in NOLA, or the Miss. Gulf or moved over here to my side of the lake.

So now here's my take on things, from someone that lives here.

Katrina is not just New Orleans it is a 90,000 sq. mile area from Louisiana thru Mississippi and into Alabama, we just get all the attention. Then came Rita to wipe out the rest of the gulf and part of Texas. You should see what is going on in western Louisiana and Eastern Texas.

I will tell you that most of you never want to see the things I saw in the aftermath of Katrina, EVER.
And I will never understand many things that happened, from people not leaving to the government not coming for 4 days. We can get to Achea in 24 hours but couldn't get to the Superdome. I saw the busses lined up on Tuesday in LaPlace and not moving. I watched the helicopters not come until Thursday nite 4 days later.
We have multiple generators so I watched the whole thing on TV, didn't miss one minute, in air conditioning and stocked up for a CAT 5. We knew over here that when they said NOLA was spared the levees would probably fail.

It has been a failure of every governmental agency from the Fed down to our State and local government. Private industry and volunteers are the ones that keep things going. NO red tape just hard work.

However, how anyone can say a major metropolitan city of the United States and one of the oldest settlement in the US should not be rebuilt, well I just don't get that at all.
I expect the people experiencing flooding in the midwest would want their homes and towns rebuilt. Or the people who have losses from mudslides, earthquakes and fires every year. Almost every place in America has some kind of vulnerability. You should hope it never happens to you.
New York and Philly could easily flood in a Cat. 5, should we not rebuild?

I live on the northshore was never going to experience flooding from the man-made disaster of the levees failing, but I'm only 30 minutes out of NOLA, I'm the next town on the interstate. They all came here.

They only show the people biatching because the rest of the hard working folks dont have the time.

Until it happens to you, you don't know how you will think or feel. How many of you responded? I know a few on here that did. Are you prepared? While the pundants from local, state and fed fuss, the citizens suffer.

Easy for those that said it is all the mayor and the governor. Having travelled the world I never dreamed the lack of response and preparedness in the US could happen like this. I've been in military coups and the US came immediately half a world away, but couldnt get to NOLA.

But you should be very aware prior to Katrina no US government agency was ready for a disaster of this magnitude. Now agencies are realizing they are not prepared. You should be very afraid and get prepared. Are you FEMA certified in the event of a disaster of any type in your area, I AM.
We can bomb and rebuild Baghdad every day, but part of America should just die out.....I just don't get it.

For those that responded here and get it, we thank you !

All I can say is....
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans....I DO.
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Oh and to respond to the topic of the thread, yes you are wrong.

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Old 08-30-2007, 08:02 PM
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Umm...I don't miss New Orleans. I heard it was for the most part a dirty place before the flood. I think many people have seen devastation. Do you remember 9/11? Many of my brother firefighters do. My brother firefighters in that skank city in Louisiana were being shot at by a bunch of hoodlums.
The city was built below sea level. The flood only brought attention to the shiathole it was and from all media reports it still is. Prepared for catastrophe? Nope we aren't. Dirty Bomb.....Death and much of it. Chemical attack..the same. Most of these people in New Orleans had a chance to get out and didn't. Why? 1. Lazy.....have had things done for them their whole lives. 2. Entitlement....Come get us Federal government.
3. Money Grubbing...To heck with leaving, we have welfare checks coming tomorrow.

The funny thing about it is the fact this douche bag president goes and visits. What is wrong with him? They hate them there. This dipshiat idiot Mayor rips him constantly. No man, No sympathy here. No Way!!
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I really am an idiot for starting this thread.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:09 PM
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I really am an idiot for starting this thread.
I don't think you are an idiot...I just wish I never read it. As you can tell this really gets me going. You have to remember, I'm in a profession(teaching) where I hear excuses and crap all of the time. You have parents who as Bill Cosby says, buy their kids a $300 pair of sneakers, but ask them to pay for a $5 field trip or buy a notebook and it's an infringement on their rights.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:26 PM
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Let me ask you something. Just because you hear stuff, does that mean it's true? Have you ever been to New Orleans? And no one asked for your sympathy. But you seem to want sympathy because you had no power last year because of snow. Come on. Hitting the sauce tonight?
No Hoss...Just a real sensitive topic with me. I just read his post again and made a little more sense out of it and was attempting to respond in a little more of a resonable manner but since you ask....

1. Two years ago(before the flood) I had family members who have traveled the country together tell me that New Orleans was by far the most disgusting city they've ever visited.

2. My power was fine during the storm because Fort Plain is not in the snowbelt. I have several people I know that live in those areas. But, as I'm sure you remember we were hit with a blizzard in February. But, unlike the people in New Orleans, we prepared for it.

3. You've never heard me ask for sympathy and most likely never will.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:33 PM
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FG FAN,

I re-read your post and my apologies. I'm sure it must have been awful to experience what you did. Nobody deserves what you and the people of New Orleans went through. I remember how helpless I felt watching the whole thing unfold in front of me on TV. There were some real acts of heroism during that entire ordeal. I can't help to think of what it was like for those folks in that retirement/nursing home. What an awful way to die. There are many things that went wrong with that whole catastrophe, but to play the blame game and biatch and moan and try to get hard working american people to feel sorry for lazy people is a little hard to take.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:47 PM
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I heard it was for the most part a dirty place before the flood. You heard, but you don't know.


I think many people have seen devastation. I think your very wrong, YOU may have as a firefighter, but most people haven't.

Do you remember 9/11? Sure do, people I KNOW died there too. And I know many that responded. But 16 blocks compared to 90,000 sq. miles.

My brother firefighters in that skank city in Louisiana were being shot at by a bunch of hoodlums. Your brother firefighters are still here working hard. Maybe your brother firefighters should help them as ours did in the aftermath of 911.

The city was built below sea level. Not my home I live on the northshore did you read my post?

The flood only brought attention to the shiathole it was and from all media reports it still is. Prepared for catastrophe? Nope we aren't. Then you should be especially as a firefighter. Isn't it now a requiste you go through FEMA training..all the firefighters I know are required. Hope you don't have a disaster in your area.

Dirty Bomb.....Death and much of it. Chemical attack..the same. Most of these people in New Orleans had a chance to get out and didn't. Your wrong over 1.5 millions people evacuated, 3 weeks later Texas couldn't evacuate Houston.

Why? 1. Lazy.....have had things done for them their whole lives. 2. Entitlement....Come get us Federal government.
3. Money Grubbing...To heck with leaving, we have welfare checks coming tomorrow. Happens all over the US. Bet you have federal subsidy in your upstate rural town.

The funny thing about it is the fact this douche bag president goes and visits. What is wrong with him? They hate them there. This dipshiat idiot Mayor rips him constantly. No man, No sympathy here. No Way!!
Sympathy...guess you really didnt read my post.

Hope your glass house never shatters. Oh that's right you as a firefighter are not prepared. And we won't have to worry about helping anyone rebuild, New York or LA or Philly, or anywhere in the US.

All I'm saying is that for a country as great as ours we should be able to handle disasters in a more efficient manner. But we are not prepared. Thankfully that is changing as a result of Katrina/Rita.
As I said I have been all over the world, I love the US, I choose to settle here near NOLA, that could change. But I still LOVE New Orleans and I miss what it used to be as I would miss New York, Philly, DC, LA, San Fran, Chicago and many other cities around this world.
Poverty is here in the US,all over the US, drug addicts exist and old people need help. If we can police and rescue the world we should do the same for our own citizens.
I'm going to watch the Saints game now.
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Might help if Dubya brought back some of the Nat Guard & equipment don't ya think?

Wasn't it this spring when the tornadoes ripped thru the midwest and they could do **** because the only about 40% of the NG equipment(dozers, loaders, personel) still remained in the US...the rest were rebuilding what we have destroyed in Iraq. Billions to build a country we don't belong in and $000
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Hope your glass house never shatters. Oh that's right you as a firefighter are not prepared. And we won't have to worry about helping anyone rebuild, New York or LA or Philly, or anywhere in the US.

All I'm saying is that for a country as great as ours we should be able to handle disasters in a more efficient manner. But we are not prepared. Thankfully that is changing as a result of Katrina/Rita.
As I said I have been all over the world, I love the US, I choose to settle here near NOLA, that could change. But I still LOVE New Orleans and I miss what it used to be as I would miss New York, Philly, DC, LA, San Fran, Chicago and many other cities around this world.
Poverty is here in the US,all over the US, drug addicts exist and old people need help. If we can police and rescue the world we should do the same for our own citizens.
I'm going to watch the Saints game now.
I'm sure by now you read my other post. I'm once again sorry for your devastation and here's hoping you make a fully recovery. I will tell you again that we are in no way prepared for a chemical/biological catastrophe. God forbid it ever happens.
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Might help if Dubya brought back some of the Nat Guard & equipment don't ya think?

Wasn't it this spring when the tornadoes ripped thru the midwest and they could do **** because the only about 40% of the NG equipment(dozers, loaders, personel) still remained in the US...the rest were rebuilding what we have destroyed in Iraq. Billions to build a country we don't belong in and $000
to help our own good folk and even the bad in our own USA.
DID you help during our flood. No,you were drinking beer. So take your dozer and pipe down. Are you golfing tomorrow?
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The Mohawk & Otsquago don't compare to the Gulf of Mexico, Mississippi, Cat. 4 or 5 hurricanes...and damn right I was drinking beer...didn't want it to get warm!!!
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I had heard the same things about New Orleans. I went and then made up my mind based on what I had seen, not heard. I think part of what you fail to realize, or even accept is that a good portion of the people you are describing are dirt poor. When you barely have a pot to piss in, it's kind of tough to prepare for stuff. I won't begin to try and figure out why they are poor, although you seem to have made up your mind.

It's a tough situation, but one in which so many peoples lives were destroyed. Of course the looting and stuff was completely wrong. There is no explanation other than people suck. But people did and still suffer there. It's just not an easy fix and I certainly don't have the answers, but I really don't see the animosity towards people that lost their homes, lives and family members. Why so sensitive towards something like this?
Hoss, face it man we aren't going to come to complete agreement on this.
Sensitive. Could be many things, but I've been fired up about this since it happened. Almost got booted out of a family Labor Day picnic two years ago when this happened. The arrogance of the mayor and the absolute stupidity of the Governor for starters. The looting, rape, rioting, etc. don't sit well with me either. Not to mention the stupidity of many of the residents who could've gotten out an didn't. I'm sure there were many hardworking residents who suffered catostrophic losses and I do feel for them. Of course I'm sure many people think I'm just being racist. That's not the case. I'd feel the same way if it was a city of whites, greens, yellows, etc.
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FG FAN,

I re-read your post and my apologies. I'm sure it must have been awful to experience what you did. Nobody deserves what you and the people of New Orleans went through. I remember how helpless I felt watching the whole thing unfold in front of me on TV. There were some real acts of heroism during that entire ordeal. I can't help to think of what it was like for those folks in that retirement/nursing home. What an awful way to die. There are many things that went wrong with that whole catastrophe, but to play the blame game and biatch and moan and try to get hard working american people to feel sorry for lazy people is a little hard to take.
fpsoxfan,
Thank you for re-reading my original post. I saw that after I posted to your post.
Anyway, I absolutely agree with you about the handouts, it's the same people that got them before bitching about getting them now.

Funny thing is while us and many of our friends were in disasters areas 1. most of us didn't need help because we were prepared, and 2. we don't live off the system so we dont know how to get it, seriously we are really dumb about it.
I have no sympathy for the people screaming for the housing projects. ( then again if they opened them back up we would know where the crime is, now it's just all over the city)
But like I said 1.5 milion people evacuated, hard working people who paid dearly for insurance only to get screwed. One man raised his house 20 ft. out of pocket and because FEMA had not made the flood maps yet, he will not be reimbursed. So many have moved over here to my little 6 red light town we now have traffic jams, I am in the country. It all happened so fast you can't keep up with roads, and infrastructure.
it's all crazy here, every day. The talking heads keep talking, the hard working folks just keep working and we send money to Baghdad everyday.
AND do not get me wrong, I certainly support our troops, not the war in the wrong country.
Katrina/Rita and now all this flooding in the midwest is a wake up call that we really need to take care of our own, especially the hard working people that just keep plugging along.
The nursing home is an absolute disgrace..I hope those people rot in hell for leaving those old people there.
And the animals, I responded as a vet tech. another disgrace.
It is hard to judge when you don't live here and even harder when you do. I will never understand how this all happened in my beloved country.
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Hope your glass house never shatters. Oh that's right you as a firefighter are not prepared. And we won't have to worry about helping anyone rebuild, New York or LA or Philly, or anywhere in the US.

All I'm saying is that for a country as great as ours we should be able to handle disasters in a more efficient manner. But we are not prepared. Thankfully that is changing as a result of Katrina/Rita.
As I said I have been all over the world, I love the US, I choose to settle here near NOLA, that could change. But I still LOVE New Orleans and I miss what it used to be as I would miss New York, Philly, DC, LA, San Fran, Chicago and many other cities around this world.
Poverty is here in the US,all over the US, drug addicts exist and old people need help. If we can police and rescue the world we should do the same for our own citizens.
I'm going to watch the Saints game now.
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No Not an idiot. Actually good point. But as some of the others said, when it is home it's home and people want to come back.
And don't believe all you see on CNN or any other media. Parts of the city are coming back. You should plan a trip to THE Fairgrounds when sumwon is here.
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