Larry Hughes sucks

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are no plays in the NBA. Why is that so hard to understand? There is 20 seconds left on the clock. You isolate and look to kick out if they double. Execution is the problem. They got good penetration and missed an easy followup shot. What play would you have called? Who's number would you have called out?

It blows my mind how obvious this is but time and time again intelligent fans miss the point entirely.

There is no ball movement during offensive sets in the NBA......execution creates options. Watch the Celts/Lakers/Pistons of decades gone by .....they all moved the ball to create shots. The Suns and Spurs do it to some extent but nothing like Magic, Bird, etc etc.......

Standing there and taking the ball 1 on all is garbage.......Lebron is a very limited basketball player with physical skills that compensate for his flaws.
And yes, when Larry Hughes left town in DC the fans quickly got over it. Another millionaire who lost his hunger when they got the contract.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It blows my mind how obvious this is but time and time again intelligent fans miss the point entirely.

There is no ball movement during offensive sets in the NBA......execution creates options. Watch the Celts/Lakers/Pistons of decades gone by .....they all moved the ball to create shots. The Suns and Spurs do it to some extent but nothing like Magic, Bird, etc etc.......

Standing there and taking the ball 1 on all is garbage.......Lebron is a very limited basketball player with physical skills that compensate for his flaws.
And yes, when Larry Hughes left town in DC the fans quickly got over it. Another millionaire who lost his hunger when they got the contract.

I totally agree. Pass the ball around the perimeter and try to get the best shot. that works better when you have a talented big man inside posting up, but this isolation crap and 1 on 1 really dumbs down basketball IMO.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I totally agree. Pass the ball around the perimeter and try to get the best shot. that works better when you have a talented big man inside posting up, but this isolation crap and 1 on 1 really dumbs down basketball IMO.

Aren't you a female??

[Mortimer]

Silly, silly man. Before LeBron got to Cleveland the team hadn't had a 30 win season in over 3 years. The team was 15-67 the season before LeBron got there. In two years he had them over .500. They have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years after having not won one since 1993. They have back to back 50 win seasons for only the second time in close to 40 years in existence.

HE hit not one, but two game winning shots in the playoffs last year. At age 22, LeBron has 15 playoff wins...I think at that age, Bird and Jordan had a total of zero combined.

Why bother with facts when making things up is so much better
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Round eye lie!!





BIG LIAH!

Originally Posted by docicu3

It blows my mind how obvious this is but time and time again intelligent fans miss the point entirely.

There is no ball movement during offensive sets in the NBA......execution creates options. Watch the Celts/Lakers/Pistons of decades gone by .....they all moved the ball to create shots. The Suns and Spurs do it to some extent but nothing like Magic, Bird, etc etc.......

Standing there and taking the ball 1 on all is garbage.......Lebron is a very limited basketball player with physical skills that compensate for his flaws.
And yes, when Larry Hughes left town in DC the fans quickly got over it. Another millionaire who lost his hunger when they got the contract.

The RULES have changed since the aforementioned. You had to play man up in the Magic/Bird era. Riley got wise and played a semizone causing a technical if one was not close enough to his man. This was very hard to interpret, went thru some changes so now we have a game where a team CAN PLAY ZONE. They just cant stay in the lane 3 seconds. This has changed the way the game is played compared to the 80's a great deal.

We really must understand this (Hubie Brown). So what I believe we have seen is 3 point shooters become more valuable to crack a zone apart. And defense requires more mobile big men. A big shot blocker cannot just stand in the lane on defense anymore. imo, a player like Jason Kapono is in the league for one reason. And there are some very poor basketball talented yet mobile big men, close to my heart here would be Fransisco Elson.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The RULES have changed since the aforementioned. You had to play man up in the Magic/Bird era. Riley got wise and played a semizone causing a technical if one was not close enough to his man. This was very hard to interpret, went thru some changes so now we have a game where a team CAN PLAY ZONE. They just cant stay in the lane 3 seconds. This has changed the way the game is played compared to the 80's a great deal.

We really must understand this (Hubie Brown). So what I believe we have seen is 3 point shooters become more valuable to crack a zone apart. And defense requires more mobile big men. A big shot blocker cannot just stand in the lane on defense anymore. imo, a player like Jason Kapono is in the league for one reason. And there are some very poor basketball talented yet mobile big men, close to my heart here would be Fransisco Elson.

Plus in the Salary cap era those teams would have never been able to stay together

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah you're right. No coaches ever call plays. It's basically a free for all out there.

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Hossy...don't even try to argue with PeanutShell.

The guy is in love with THE CHOSEN ONE.

I've read what he's been saying and it's mekin' me SICK!! He doesn't even know what he's talking about!

I should have resisted as I told Steve I didn't want to cause him trouble so I would not say anything here anymore...so now I'm a BIG LIAH.





But it's not easy.



Better off not conversing with the guy.

I think he must write in asking for articles of James clothing.













God...I can't stand it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

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Hossy...don't even try to argue with PeanutShell.

The guy is in love with THE CHOSEN ONE.

I've read what he's been saying and it's mekin' me SICK!! He doesn't even know what he's talking about!

I should have resisted as I told Steve I didn't want to cause him trouble so I would not say anything here anymore...so now I'm a BIG LIAH.





But it's not easy.



Better off not conversing with the guy.

I think he must write in asking for articles of James clothing.













God...I can't stand it.

I was defending the coach, sir.




I forgot you liked the World B Free era better.




Perhaps they can dig up Jim Chones for you.

[Mortimer]

I like all the Cleveland finger pointing.

They don't have a point guard...which is true....and JKidd is one of the best pg's around.



I can't imagine what I'm trying to say.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah you're right. No coaches ever call plays. It's basically a free for all out there.

What "play" would you call? Just give me an idea what you think they should have done? Cant you see that they have no one that can create thier own shot except Lebron? He passed off to a wide open guy in the corner the other day who missed. Did you like that one better? When you only have one real option what else could they do? They should have gotten a foul call and even without that they had a second, wide open look from 7 feet that they missed.

Cleveland has no point guard.
Lebron is dead meat just like Kobe without a point guard to spread the floor and control the flow of the game. Get them the ball where they like it.

Look at the 3 of the 4 teams.

Chauncey Billups
Deron Williams (who I think will be the best PG of these 3)
Tony Parker



Larry Hughes? No way, he is a two.
And the kid from Texas (Gibson) is in over his head offensively.
Crazy hair, I like him as a role player, I would take him. Big white Eastern European, I can use him. He can score but his defense is terrible. Definitely need some help.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Cleveland has no point guard.
Lebron is dead meat just like Kobe without a point guard to spread the floor and control the flow of the game. Get them the ball where they like it.

Look at the 3 of the 4 teams.

Chauncey Billups
Deron Williams (who I think will be the best PG of these 3)
Tony Parker



Larry Hughes? No way, he is a two.
And the kid from Texas (Gibson) is in over his head offensively.
Crazy hair, I like him as a role player, I would take him. Big white Eastern European, I can use him. He can score but his defense is terrible. Definitely need some help.

Despite the pleas from Mr. Cleveland Sports, Mortavich, it is amazing that a team with that little offense is in the conference finals regardless of the overall weakness of the East.
They have a weak point guard, below average 2 guard, average post offense and nice touch from the Russian, Gooden is a garbage man, Varejo is an energy guy but has no real offensive game, Marshall is strictly a spot up 3 point shooter, Gibson may yet be ok but he lacks experience. Thats it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look, I agree they have very little talent surrounding LeBron. But, I did like that play better the other night, although LeBron should have taken that ball to the hole.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I would call, I'm not a NBA coach. I guess a pick and roll or setting LeBron or someone else with a jumpshot off a screen. Who knows? They did get a good second shot and missed. It happens.

It was the same play but this time Lebron took it to the hole instead of passing. You cant call a pick and roll in that situation because #1, You are handing Detroit an easy double on Lebron; #2 Who are you going to run the play for? If Rasheed was a Cav, then it is a possibility. But the Cavs dont have a single frontline player that you want to see with the ball in that situation. Lebron strength is moving with the ball toward the hoop, using his strength and size to overpower defenders. He is not that strong coming off of picks. Plus Detroit would almost certainly switch on the pick and try to deny the ball to Lebron. Which would leave the ball in the very shaky hands of Hughes, Snow, or Pavolich. Which would have been a poor decision by Brown.
Hamilton actually played great d on the play, being physical enough to disrupt the flow without drawing the foul.

There was no excuse for Hughes missing the follow up.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It was the same play but this time Lebron took it to the hole instead of passing. You cant call a pick and roll in that situation because #1, You are handing Detroit an easy double on Lebron; #2 Who are you going to run the play for? If Rasheed was a Cav, then it is a possibility. But the Cavs dont have a single frontline player that you want to see with the ball in that situation. Lebron strength is moving with the ball toward the hoop, using his strength and size to overpower defenders. He is not that strong coming off of picks. Plus Detroit would almost certainly switch on the pick and try to deny the ball to Lebron. Which would leave the ball in the very shaky hands of Hughes, Snow, or Pavolich. Which would have been a poor decision by Brown.
Hamilton actually played great d on the play, being physical enough to disrupt the flow without drawing the foul.

There was no excuse for Hughes missing the follow up.

I think Ilgauskas is a guy you could do that stuff with...but he was on the bench becuase Verajao got minutes with his play.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look, I agree they have very little talent surrounding LeBron. But, I did like that play better the other night, although LeBron should have taken that ball to the hole.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I would call, I'm not a NBA coach. I guess a pick and roll or setting LeBron or someone else with a jumpshot off a screen. Who knows? They did get a good second shot and missed. It happens.

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Oh never mind.

Go ahead and argue Hossy...Im afraid you're as lost as he is in this mess.












Really unbelieveable.

Honest a God.

And poor horseys get shot.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on. I tend to think a better coach might have something better drawn up for that. I'm not saying he's the sole reason they lost, but call me crazy, i don't think Phil Jackson or Pat Riley calls that play late.

Oh by the way Pat Riley was the godfather of the Pistons/Cavs series style of games. His Knicks of the 90's made thug ball popular