A Lesson Learned

[AeWingnut]

I thought Curlin beat no one in Arkansas... that's why I figured he was a toss in the Preakness. No one came running from a mile back like Street Sense.. those fractions were ridiculous
gotta wonder

anyway Curlin proved me wrong

nice big horse
made the very classy Street Sense look undersized

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What are you talking about.

LOL

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here's the link. Post #13.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12026

[AeWingnut]

I had Invisible Ink also... had the exacta twice and if he runs third I get the Trifecta.

o-well another Derby another lost opurtunity

[jman5581]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

nice big horse
made the very classy Street Sense look undersized

this is pretty funny. Not you Wingnut, but I faintly remember others on this board commenting about how "frail" Curlin was. And then I commented that these individuals obviously hadn't been right next to the horse and they replied that they most certainly had and he still looked "frail." LMAO.

Curlin was one of my Derby bets, it worked out just fine finishing where he did. He should be able to win the Belmont as well and I don't think Hard Spun will be in the picture late in the race.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

That Afleet Alex was a heck of a horse. Still feel bad about him not winning the Derby. I hated him when he was running too.

Just one of those that I didn't like.

Two words: Spanish Chestnut

That rabbit isn't in the race and Rose avoids the rail down the stretch, I think Afleet Alex wins the Triple Crown.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by jman5581

this is pretty funny. Not you Wingnut, but I faintly remember others on this board commenting about how "frail" Curlin was. And then I commented that these individuals obviously hadn't been right next to the horse and they replied that they most certainly had and he still looked "frail." LMAO.

Curlin was one of my Derby bets, it worked out just fine finishing where he did. He should be able to win the Belmont as well and I don't think Hard Spun will be in the picture late in the race.

umm did they? ok. I do know that I heard Circular Quay was frail.
I don't know.. Hard Spun looked warm in the post parade for the Preakness. Curlin should be there.

back to the Preakness...

I watched all the races and didn't see anyone coming from out of the clouds. I thought that would hurt Street Sense's chances and then he gets some ridiculous fractions to run at. Blows by everyone, pulls himself up a little and Curlin is coming for him. Street Sense was my horse and I have a huge problem with betting chalk.

Top 3 in the Derby are th top 3 in the Preakness
I think that is more the norm

not going to cry over a $50 Tri... I've had better place bets.

Good luck,

see you Friday

Ae

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

druggs havent we milked the capt obv exacta call enough...lol

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Two words: Spanish Chestnut

That rabbit isn't in the race and Rose avoids the rail down the stretch, I think Afleet Alex wins the Triple Crown.

Huh? If anything, didn't Spanish Chestnut aid Afleet Alex by eliminating anyone that was within five lengths of the lead?

I agree regarding the rail though.

[blackthroatedwind]

The horse bothered by Spanish Chesnut was Flower Alley ( who was in the midst of receiving the worst ride, in a lifetime of bad rides, that Jorge Chavez ever gave ).

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Two words: Spanish Chestnut

That rabbit isn't in the race and Rose avoids the rail down the stretch, I think Afleet Alex wins the Triple Crown.

Afleet Alex was a one-run closer.
How in the world could a rabbit ruin a race for a one-run closer?
What killed AA in the Derby was that his jock rode him as if he was not a one-run closer. It wasn't a terrible ride in a general sense, but it was not a ride that best suited that colt's particular style.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The horse bothered by Spanish Chesnut was Flower Alley ( who was in the midst of receiving the worst ride, in a lifetime of bad rides, that Jorge Chavez ever gave ).

I always liked his ride the year before that in the Preakness on Song of the Sword or whatever that horse's name was.
He puts the colt into a drive 6f from the wire on an obviously dead rail. The hopelessly overmatched horse packs it in and fades to last coming out of the final turn and Jorge hits him about 400 times down the lane despite the fact that I think Smarty was already in the winner's circle by that time.

[blackthroatedwind]

True, it was unfair of me to select any one ride by Chavez, when there were so many possibilities.

I did like, however, how Chavez sent Flower Alley into a drive midway through that Derby, and then ran him up on Spanish Chesnut's heels. Quite the clever plan.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

druggs havent we milked the capt obv exacta call enough...lol

I'm not milking anything hooves....unless by that you mean reminding people I bet AGS in the Derby.

In this thread, I've only answered the questions asked of me....and most of the time I regret that I answered them.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm not milking anything hooves....unless by that you mean reminding people I bet AGS in the Derby.

In this thread, I've only answered the questions asked of me....and most of the time I regret that I answered them.

in that case, i've got one for you.

whos is your favorite jewish person? me? serling? pip? hesz? pit? yourself?

[golfer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

True, it was unfair of me to select any one ride by Chavez, when there were so many possibilities.

I did like, however, how Chavez sent Flower Alley into a drive midway through that Derby, and then ran him up on Spanish Chesnut's heels. Quite the clever plan.

Thanks alot Andy, now I remember who I played in that Derby.. I had mentally blocked it out until NOW!

[slotdirt]

I don't know that Afleet Alex was a one run closer. Most always thought of him as more of a stalker than a closer. Watch his Sanford sometime. I think he had about 37 "runs" in that race, including one all the way out to the outside rail.

Edit: that was the Hopeful of which I was thinking, not the Sanford.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Basically, through workouts, he's done a job of turning a horse with a milers pedigree and a good deal of natural speed, into a deep closing router...who's been quite flat in the early stages in each of his last two races. .

Excuse me? Miler's pedigree? Let's see, some of Smart Strike's leading runners are English Channel, Fleetstreet Dancer (Japan Cup Dirt, 10f+), Tungsten Strike (recent Henry II in Britain, 2 miles).., Yes, he has sired sprinter/milers but his complete record shows that it is not the ONLY type he can sire.

Dam's sire Deputy Minister is another who did sire some speedy types, but has turned out to be a stamina influence for the most part - sired Touch Gold (Belmont), Awesome Again, Deputy Commander, damsire of two Belmont winners (Sarava and Jazil). second dam Barbarika (by 10f specialist Bates Motel) was a multiple graded winner at beyond a mile.

Curlin has plenty to work with to get 10f. He was a short horse in the Derby, that's all.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I love these pedigree geniuses....PA is like our very own Lauren Stich.

Curlin is by Met Mile winner Smart Strike- A sire who's offspring, in dirt races, are often most effective at middle distances.

Curlin's dam is named Sherriff's Deputy. She was unraced. She had FIVE siblings run in route races...NONE of them won. A combined 0-for-28 in route races. One of them did win 8 races in Italy, but according to BRIS, the average winning distance of those 8 races was 4.97 furlongs.

Now, Sherriff's Deputy has had two winning foals prior to Curlin. Her first foal is named Deputy. She's 4-for-20, and the average winning distance of her 4 races is 5.38 furlongs. The second foal is named Secret Wedge, he's won three times, the average winning distance of his three races is 6.33 furlongs.

I realize there are stamina influences in the go-back of the pedigree...but you just made it seem like I was a fool for calling that a milers pedigree.

There is a reason why pedigree analysis is so widely looked down on my by many "high profile" handicappers....and I believe it has to do with the hackery that is often associated with "high profile" pedigree experts.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

in that case, i've got one for you.

whos is your favorite jewish person? me? serling? pip? hesz? pit? yourself?

Freddy Mokowitz