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04-03-2007, 10:31 PM
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I agree. CQ, was on the top of my Derby Trail horses (like most other people). With the move being made (i hate to say this) but i would rather hear that he is infact off the Derby Trail. 8 weeks without a race and skipping your last prep to be replaced by a stablemate sounds really fishy. I also hope this isn't a way for some of Pletcher's other stock to get graded earnings. How can you have confidence in a horse that's been shelved for 8 weeks prior to the biggest race of his career? -bt- 
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04-03-2007, 10:54 PM
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04-03-2007, 10:58 PM
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04-03-2007, 11:30 PM
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Quay has plenty of foundation so that is the only good thing. The Derby just isnt a good race for Quay with or without a race leading up to the Derby. He would have to pass 19 other horses and that just doesnt happen. I havent liked the handling of Quay at all this spring. I think the LA route was the wrong thing to do.
You have the SA Derby, Illinois Derby, Bluegrass, Arkansas Derby and the Coolmore left to get your graded money. So there are plenty of races left for Pletchers horses to try to get their needed money.
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04-03-2007, 11:40 PM
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Well I am a getting.....getting off the CQ bandwagon right now. 8 weeks? never gonna happen. I wouldnt be shocked to see an announcement soon. dang.
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04-03-2007, 11:41 PM
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Giacomo didnt have to pass 19 of em but he sure passed most of em... I'll never forget the first time I saw the blimp view, Mike Smith was movin that horse boy...Its a shame Rose let up on Alex for we would have another tc winner... O well , the mystique continues
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04-04-2007, 12:25 AM
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04-04-2007, 02:09 AM
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which of pletchers horses would he be trying to get in the gate in the ky derby at the expense of circular quay? i'm not sure that theory makes a lot of sense.
his most interesting horse at this point (besides AGS) is deadly dealer, and if run on the board in the arkansas derby, he should be okay for the race.
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04-04-2007, 02:34 AM
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This is the kind of situation that makes you think of the way t-breds used to be handled.
Was very interesting hearing Bob Fox's segment this afternoon on the show about War Admiral and that he raced in a mile and a quarter allowance race just 4 days before his derby win. 4 days.. 8 weeks.. what's the difference?
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04-04-2007, 02:55 AM
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04-04-2007, 05:04 AM
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I shouldn't have to start with this but on these boards, sometimes it's necessary.......I'm sure Pletcher knows his horses better than I do. Now, having said that, I don't like this at all. I'm not too concerned about the layoff. In today's game, it's just not as big a deal as it used to be. Used to be that u could count out all of the horses using only two preps because 90% of the field had three. Not this year. A couple of contenders will be coming in with only two so it's not as big a disadvantage now. I believe that Notional and Scat Daddy are the two biggest obstacles for Circular Quay to have to beat in the Derby.....and both of them will be coming in off of a five week layoff, which everyone said couldn't be done......until last year. So the game has changed and along with it, many old "rules" are being changed also. So the layoff is not a huge concern. Of course, it's not ideal but it's not that big a deal to me. What I find of greater interest is the fact that they had a plan for Any Given Saturday and now they are changing it, leading me to believe that he will be one work short for this race. I think this is going to be the last time we see this horse this year.
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04-04-2007, 05:46 AM
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04-04-2007, 06:25 AM
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04-04-2007, 06:37 AM
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It's totally logical for Pletcher to give Any Given Saturday his earnings shot in this spot rather than risk it next week at KEE against a group where there is a legitimate chance he would be gutted again going for a top placement. This would seem to assure 'Saturday' a healthy check if he does anything other than fall down as well as an extra week's rest going into Churchill. A win-win.
But as for going into the Derby with Circular Quay off a 2 month break... Yeesh.
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04-04-2007, 06:41 AM
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04-04-2007, 06:54 AM
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i think it is a decision based on necessary earnings. CQ has them, AGS doesn't. even if AGS finished 2nd or 3rd that will give him enough earnings.
good decision? NO just doesn't make sense from a conditioning standpoint
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04-04-2007, 07:31 AM
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i fully understand taking AGS to the wood.
CQ-now that half of the equation doesn't add up. i also expect to hear that something is amiss with the horse.
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04-04-2007, 07:50 AM
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AGS could go to Ill, Ark or even SoCal to get earnings. No need to shelve CQ. I suspect that there is more to it than earnings. CQ has not trained since 3/26. Something is amiss with him. The Pletcher barn has favored CQ from Day 1. Pletcher handled his sire and trained the dam to one of his very first G1 wins. This horse was the golden boy of the barn and I suspect that something may be wrong w/him. I doubt that they would be willing to "sacrifice" a Derby for him to benefit another. remember Pletcher handled Thunder Gulch and trained Circle of Life FOR TABOR. Coolmore is not a client that Todd wants to rile.
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04-04-2007, 07:57 AM
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If Any Given Saturday is ready and his owners are desperately wanting to make the derby, the wood is a far easier spot than the BlueGrass to get the graded earnings. I hope that CQ is sound, otherwise i assume they would run him in the bluegrass, even though he didn't love the track when he ran their last fall.
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