No Wood for Circular Quay - Page 2

MisterB · #1 04-04-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, Circular Quay is supposed to be ready for the Derby off an eight week layoff and essentially one real effort this year?

Excuse me for thinking something's rotten in Denmark.

BINGO!

POINTGIVEN1985 · #2 04-03-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

What are the odds that Pletcher doesn't win the Derby with any of his hopefuls???

i'd say 50-1

#3 04-03-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i'd say 50-1

Are you booking that?

whodey17 · #4 04-04-2007, 12:30 AM

Quay has plenty of foundation so that is the only good thing. The Derby just isnt a good race for Quay with or without a race leading up to the Derby. He would have to pass 19 other horses and that just doesnt happen. I havent liked the handling of Quay at all this spring. I think the LA route was the wrong thing to do.

You have the SA Derby, Illinois Derby, Bluegrass, Arkansas Derby and the Coolmore left to get your graded money. So there are plenty of races left for Pletchers horses to try to get their needed money.

POINTGIVEN1985 · #5 04-04-2007, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Are you booking that?

maybe

ARyan · #6 04-04-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

What are the odds that Pletcher doesn't win the Derby with any of his hopefuls???

There is a bet I would be looking to put some action on.
He isn't winning the Derby.

That said, I hope CQ is okay, and can run somewhere, someplace again.

Sightseek · #7 04-03-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's the right move with Any Given Saturday.....and a very possible precursor to an unpleasant announcement regarding Circular Quay.

I was wondering if they figured the Wood wouldn't set up for Circular Quay...just as well, I like Any Given Saturday more.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #8 04-03-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I was wondering if they figured the Wood wouldn't set up for Circular Quay...just as well, I like Any Given Saturday more.

I thought about that when I saw the entries, but it could also be a "Ravel-like" thing.

#9 04-03-2007, 10:44 PM

Summer Doldrums. Still to Illinois after this change? I would think.

philcski · #10 04-03-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's the right move with Any Given Saturday.....and a very possible precursor to an unpleasant announcement regarding Circular Quay.

Sadly, I believe you are on point here.

I don't see how Pletcher thinks he can win the Derby off an 8 week layoff. It's a real shame because there's a lot to like about CQ from the perspective of the "Derby profile"... distance doesn't appear to be an issue, has good speed figures, proven at 2, proven at 3, good running style, proven at CD... very disappointing. As much as I tried not to like him he has proven to me he should be at or near the top of the 3yo list.

Cajungator26 · #11 04-04-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Sadly, I believe you are on point here.

I don't see how Pletcher thinks he can win the Derby off an 8 week layoff. It's a real shame because there's a lot to like about CQ from the perspective of the "Derby profile"... distance doesn't appear to be an issue, has good speed figures, proven at 2, proven at 3, good running style, proven at CD... very disappointing. As much as I tried not to like him he has proven to me he should be at or near the top of the 3yo list.

See, I didn't think he had much of a chance to begin with. IF he makes it in the gate, he'll be an automatic toss for me.

Linny · #12 04-04-2007, 09:59 AM

Early April is an odd time to retire a horse that doesn't need to retire, so lets not jump the gun. I am however suspicious when a well organized guy like Tpdd decides to change plans. He just doesn't usually do so.

I was in Saratoga all summer and all I heard from the barn was how CQ was the "golden child" of the crop. Todd just loved him, the staff loved his easy going temperament and because he's a homebred for Tabor and with Todd's connection to sire and dam.... My guess is that though Todd owned a piece of SD, his emotional attachment was to CQ. Remember, he was not so attached to SD as to not sell his interest to Tabor.

Cajungator26 · #13 04-04-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Early April is an odd time to retire a horse that doesn't need to retire, so lets not jump the gun. I am however suspicious when a well organized guy like Tpdd decides to change plans. He just doesn't usually do so.

I was in Saratoga all summer and all I heard from the barn was how CQ was the "golden child" of the crop. Todd just loved him, the staff loved his easy going temperament and because he's a homebred for Tabor and with Todd's connection to sire and dam.... My guess is that though Todd owned a piece of SD, his emotional attachment was to CQ. Remember, he was not so attached to SD as to not sell his interest to Tabor.

I recently heard the exact opposite. Heard that Todd's main derby horse was Any Given Saturday, but that his sentimental fave was Scat Daddy. I got the impression that CQ wasn't as high up on the list as those two...

King Glorious · #14 04-04-2007, 10:06 AM

So they are confident that AGS could win the Derby but would rather run him in the Wood instead of the Blue Grass because they aren't confident he's good enough to win that race or place second and get the earnings he'd need to be in the Derby? That sounds very wrong to me. If u don't think he can beat these horses in the Blue Grass, why think u can beat them when they are even tighter and more fit in the Derby?

Maybe it's me, but I think that u make a plan out for your horse based on what's best for him as far as his physical conditioning. If he came out of the TB Derby and u feel that he needs the extra week to the Blue Grass, give it to him. Don't audible now because u took another horse out of a big race and u need a filler. That's not sticking to the plan for the horse. Training and racing one horse because of how another one trains is asking for trouble in my opinion. I would think that u are supposed to handle each horse as an individual. If they are racing AGS here simply to try and have an easier chance to get the earnings and with less regard for what may be physically the best course for him, I think that's sad.

Cajungator26 · #15 04-04-2007, 10:11 AM

Sorry, but I'm slow this morning... just read the title to this thread and got a good chuckle.

POINTGIVEN1985 · #16 04-03-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Interesting.......me thinks there is something wrong with CQ that Pletcher hopes will be fixed by Derby time.

i agree, thats why i put this dosent make sense to me.....you'd have to think there is something wrong, the wood has nobiz and whatever pletcher horse runs, nothing else, if circular quay were healthy you'd have to think he'd run in this spot, he'd be favored or a very solid second choice.