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10-24-2008, 11:50 PM
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10-25-2008, 12:14 AM
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This might be the funniest thing I have read on the net in a while. FT was MUCH the best. Question for you Fatman......have you ever lost a race and not whined about the jock.
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10-25-2008, 12:18 AM
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Wait a While isn't exactly my favorite horse. But she moved early last out and she got that patented wide, no cover, premature move today, that JV has popularized.
Moreover, I think that race dynamics (moves) are superordinate to (numerical) pace. There are just too many cases (like today) where horses setting or with a slow pace aren't around at the end.
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10-25-2008, 12:24 AM
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I agree on both counts. I've pretty publically never been Johnny's biggest fan. On the second part, I agree that paces in turf races are overrated, and that courses play a bigger role in dynamics than most realize, but overall I would say the biggest reasons these horses failed on the slow paces is that they were badly overmatched. Now, Wait a While wasn't BADLY overmatched....but she was still, at least, slightly overmatched. In order to have won today, things would have had to have gone very right for her....and very wrong for Forever Together. Instead, things went moderately for her ( some good....some bad ), and pretty mediocrely for the winner.
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10-25-2008, 10:25 AM
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The pace was moderate but it was destructive because it was pretty contested. Then again, the Euro shipper was coming out of a frontrunning mile race so it's no real shocker she packed it in at the quarter pole...
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10-25-2008, 10:33 AM
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My point here is not that WaW is better than the winner (in general) but rather that if she gets a decent trip, in this case, doesn't move EARLY, she's in position to withstand the closers. By waiting and forcing the OTHER closers (other than Visit) to move with/before her she dulls their kick. A more patient jock gets her this trip. Not putting this on you, but why is this so difficult to understand? The winner is a very nice horse, certainly the best in the race (though before yesterday, her ability to get 10F was in question) but she also got a very nice trip, having the benefit of running AFTER everyone else. This was a 'flow' race: moving too soon spelled doom for WaW and Visit and, to a lesser extent SH. Would think that this would be evident to some others as well.
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10-25-2008, 10:42 AM
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Visit is tough to use in the argument because I'm pretty sure she isn't half the filly of WaW or FT. I think WaW runs a clear second if she waits a little longer. FT ran the final 4F in a fantastic <:46 flat and the final quarter in :22 4/5. We've been watching Wait a While for a long time- we know for SURE she cannot do that, if she had moved at the same time as FT. It's difficult to me to understand why anyone would say Wait a While was much the best in a race after we know so much about her? Leparoux gave her a masterful ride, no doubt, and rode her like he had a ton of horse.
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10-25-2008, 10:47 AM
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No doubt there aren't many fillies that can finish with her. But if she had to run EARLIER, like the others did, she wouldn't have had that strong a late burst. Once again, this isn't about WaW being better than her but more about WaW losing an opportunity (and the winner getting the better trip).
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10-25-2008, 07:56 AM
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I was wrong on two counts Euros-cal horses
I should have said I favor horses who have ran in cal and done well, also I might eat crow on euros today. I find them hard to handicap so I don't like them and haven't seen them run. I apologize if I ruffled some feathers, I was wrong and should have kept my trap shut on Euros I know nothing about.
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10-25-2008, 10:55 AM
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Cost of Freedom SCR'd from the Sprint..
Vet scratch...
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10-25-2008, 11:27 AM
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10-25-2008, 11:44 AM
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10-25-2008, 12:56 PM
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Migliore and Desert Code Does it!!!
You can't help but root for the Mig!!! I don't care who you bet on. His first ever Breeders Cup victory -- and this guy deserves it!!!
Wow! I am really happy for Richard. Congratulations to one of the true good guys of this sport. Eric
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10-25-2008, 01:00 PM
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F It...do A Dance. That's the reason a lot of people hate the Breeders Cup. Horse never has beaten this quality stuff. CASH BON FIRE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY MIG IS HAPPY...Woo Hoo!!
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10-25-2008, 01:05 PM
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was a hooves value play.
 
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10-25-2008, 01:10 PM
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horse had an excellent record at the distance. 2nd race after a layoff. + Mig got 1st and 3rd on the exacta but had a $2 saver on him 
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10-25-2008, 01:14 PM
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