Let's go Yankees

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know maybe you should ask Charlie Manuel that question.

It's been very strange the roles he has put Blanton and Happ into.. Guess its just playoff baseball and ya got to do what you got to do..

I know the reason he put Happ in the pen is because Happ has pitched out of the pen before and Charlie was more comfortable with Happ in the penn then Pedro in there...

It didnt make a whole lot of sense to me to not start our most consistant starting pitcher (happ) in the playoffs. What he went 12-4 or something like that, had the lowest ERA, great placement.

But Cholly is Cholly and he makes the calls.

g/l tonite.. well not really but you know.

g/l to you tonight

[GPK]

You two are something else. Bigs and I woulda loved to see you two having this kinda conversation riding in the same golf cart

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i agree timmy , more and more if you look at this philly team you wonder how they got this far, it's been a lot of guts and other teams choking just like scuds talked about (the dodgers and rockies)

bottom line the yankees have rivera and no one else does , unless lee throws a big time game again tonight the phillies are going to lose as the bullpen will fail

reason #458

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

if happ is better than meyers why did he not start any games here in the WS?

because his main lefty out of the bullpen, Romero is hurt and he has no other good options. I agree he should have pitched Lee yesterday unless there was some reason that we dont know about. If they get to game seven, Hamels isnt a very appealing option right now. if Lee had gone yesterday he could have had Hamels on a short leash if they got to a game 7. Bringing in Mr Mediocre, Blanton isnt exactly like bringing Rollie Fingers in. As a matter of fact Happ may be the best option in game 7 though it would take a huge set to actually do it.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

because his main lefty out of the bullpen, Romero is hurt and he has no other good options. I agree he should have pitched Lee yesterday unless there was some reason that we dont know about. If they get to game seven, Hamels isnt a very appealing option right now. if Lee had gone yesterday he could have had Hamels on a short leash if they got to a game 7. Bringing in Mr Mediocre, Blanton isnt exactly like bringing Rollie Fingers in. As a matter of fact Happ may be the best option in game 7 though it would take a huge set to actually do it.

he can't send hamels out in a game 7 , he just can't do it , the team doesn't think they can win a game with him now

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Girardi doesn't have the options that Manuel has. Chad Gaudin....come on give me a break. I am petrified about having to start Pettite on 3 days rest if needed. Let's face it, there really is/was no decision that had to be made. They just don't have the depth at starter that the Phills have. That being said, I agree that Lee should have started last night.

francessca is licking his chops for 1:00 to get here fast , heck he should be the manager , if pettite bombs in game 6 it will be time for the yankees to hire him as manager

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

he can't send hamels out in a game 7 , he just can't do it , the team doesn't think they can win a game with him now

I dont think Charlie will. The players and Charlie have confronted Hamels about saying how he wishes the season was over because he's mentally drained. How can you send that guy out for possible game 7 of the world series?

Not gonna happen.

I think we'll see Happ with Lee and Blanton out of the bullpen if needed. Happ has done well in big games.. Problem is we need to get to that big game first. Lidge killed us on Sunday.

[gales0678]

[quote=Antitrust32]I dont think Charlie will. The players and Charlie have confronted Hamels about saying how he wishes the season was over because he's mentally drained. How can you send that guy out for possible game 7 of the world series?

Not gonna happen.

I think we'll see Happ with Lee and Blanton out of the bullpen if needed. Happ has done well in big games.. Problem is we need to get to that big game first. Lidge killed us on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

did Street not do the same for the rockies in gams 3 + 4?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

did Street not do the same for the rockies in gams 3 + 4?

um yes. but there are a few differences in my mind.

One, I root for the Phillies and not the Rockies so of course one makes me happy and one makes me mad.

Also, Street was one of the best closers in baseball this year and deserved to be out there. I wish he was in a Philly uniform instead of Rockies thats for sure, where as Lidge was easily the worst closer in baseball this year by ERA, games lost and blown saves. I knew it was over after Feliz hit the homer and they showed Lidge warming up in the bullpen. If Street had been warming up for us I woudl have been much more confident.

- that and champion baseball teams dont blow stuff like that in the 9th.. there's another difference between Philly and Colorado. Philly is supposed to know how to get it done since they've been doing it.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

um yes. but there are a few differences in my mind.

One, I root for the Phillies and not the Rockies so of course one makes me happy and one makes me mad.

Also, Street was one of the best closers in baseball this year and deserved to be out there. I wish he was in a Philly uniform instead of Rockies thats for sure, where as Lidge was easily the worst closer in baseball this year by ERA, games lost and blown saves. I knew it was over after Feliz hit the homer and they showed Lidge warming up in the bullpen. If Street had been warming up for us I woudl have been much more confident.

- that and champion baseball teams dont blow stuff like that in the 9th.. there's another difference between Philly and Colorado. Philly is supposed to know how to get it done since they've been doing it.

didn't lidge do the job against the rockies? and street failed, madson would have coughed it up to , you guys may end up winning this thing because of girardi over managing and not saving burnett for game 6

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

francessca is licking his chops for 1:00 to get here fast , heck he should be the manager , if pettite bombs in game 6 it will be time for the yankees to hire him as manager

He could of went either way here. Ahead 3-1 he could have definitley started Gaudin (I actually thought he would have went this way). It would have did a few things. Burnett would have been on regular rest and then you would have had the option of Pettite on regulat rest or most likely CC on 3 days for game 7. It would have also boosted the offense for last night with have Posada start instead of Molina.
What I was discussing with Joey, was Girardi setting his rotation going into the series, it was pretty much a no brainer. Going into it he could not commit to Gaudin, but he certainly could have called an audible and pitched him being up 3-1. Obviously I would feel better about last night if Gaudin started, but I don't think you could really kill Girardi for that.

The only thing that bothered me last night (although I admit to going to bed early cause I was exhausted) was him bringing in Coke instead of Marte (maybe he was unavailable and I don't know). But it seems that Girardi kind of gave up on the game being down 6-2 at the time. You could bet if it was a 1 run game Marte would have been in. Coke gives up the 2 spot and they lose by a duece. That's the only thing that irks me a bit.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

didn't lidge do the job against the rockies? and street failed, madson would have coughed it up to , you guys may end up winning this thing because of girardi over managing and not saving burnett for game 6

Lidge didnt blow anything against the rockies. dude only pitched in 3 games leading up to the series. one was a one out save. some people thought that meant he was "back" but that was just foolish.

a good game here or there doesnt make up for one of the worst seasons in closer life.

I like our chances in game 6, not game 7. but hey you guys are good and a-roid is a hot bat right now, you could very easily win this thing on Wed.

The series is still really in your favor. Would be a huge blow if Victorino cant play, even if he hasnt had the best of series. I think he will play, he's tough as nails.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Lidge didnt blow anything against the rockies. dude only pitched in 3 games leading up to the series. one was a one out save. some people thought that meant he was "back" but that was just foolish.

a good game here or there doesnt make up for one of the worst seasons in closer life.

I like our chances in game 6, not game 7. but hey you guys are good and a-roid is a hot bat right now, you could very easily win this thing on Wed.

The series is still really in your favor. Would be a huge blow if Victorino cant play, even if he hasnt had the best of series. I think he will play, he's tough as nails.

I am really concerned about game 6. Really wasn't thrilled with Burnett on short rest, even less thrilled with Petitte on 3 days. Not sure about game 7. CC has been good so far and I really don't think he has had his best stuff. Who knows if he will have it on another short rest day. The good thing for the Yanks is that they will have Matsui and Posada back in the lineups for both games.
Not sure what to expect out of Pedro and whomever pitches game 7. Agree about Victorino, you got to love his toughness.
Both teams seem to be warming up at the plate (with the exceptions of Howard and Texieria). But I want to believe (obviously I'm biased) that the Yanks have so good at home all season, that they find away to win one out of two games. Perferably game 6, cause if it gets to 7 you would think that the Phills would have all the momentum and they would be playing with the house money after being down 3-1.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I am really concerned about game 6. Really wasn't thrilled with Burnett on short rest, even less thrilled with Petitte on 3 days. Not sure about game 7. CC has been good so far and I really don't think he has had his best stuff. Who knows if he will have it on another short rest day. The good thing for the Yanks is that they will have Matsui and Posada back in the lineups for both games.
Not sure what to expect out of Pedro and whomever pitches game 7. Agree about Victorino, you got to love his toughness.
Both teams seem to be warming up at the plate (with the exceptions of Howard and Texieria). But I want to believe (obviously I'm biased) that the Yanks have so good at home all season, that they find away to win one out of two games. Perferably game 6, cause if it gets to 7 you would think that the Phills would have all the momentum and they would be playing with the house money after being down 3-1.

I agree and think for the Yankees, a Game 6 win is a must. I like your chances though...a lot. Theres nobody I would rather have pitch in this kind of game right now than Andy Pettite. Hes a complete stud. I dont see the Phillies getting more than 3 runs, so unless the NY bats go ice cold, you'll be poppoing champagne tomorrow around midnight! I'd say the Yankees have an 80% chance of winning Game 6.

If I am wrong and it comes to a Game 7, then everything changes. I dont think CC will have his best stuff and I would expect the Yankees to be very tight.

[Antitrust32]

^^^ here's hoping he is wrong!!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

I agree and think for the Yankees, a Game 6 win is a must. I like your chances though...a lot. Theres nobody I would rather have pitch in this kind of game right now than Andy Pettite. Hes a complete stud. I dont see the Phillies getting more than 3 runs, so unless the NY bats go ice cold, you'll be poppoing champagne tomorrow around midnight! I'd say the Yankees have an 80% chance of winning Game 6.

If I am wrong and it comes to a Game 7, then everything changes. I dont think CC will have his best stuff and I would expect the Yankees to be very tight.

timmy stop trying to jinx us by saying we are going to win tomorrow!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The only thing that bothered me last night (although I admit to going to bed early cause I was exhausted)

Wow. The way that bull has been pitching? Phillies haven't won a game until you see that 27th out. Them some Big Iffy Chickies.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

he can't send hamels out in a game 7 , he just can't do it , the team doesn't think they can win a game with him now

Honestly all the thinking, wearing dresses, being clutch means squat. What is important is that Hamels is clearly not pitching very well and hasnt pretty much all year probably because he is hurting. Before he became a star the guy was always known as a guy who cant stay healthy and probably isnt now. I dont care if he shaves his nuts on ESPN to show he wants the ball. If they get there they need to start Happ. He gives them the best chance of winning. At this point that is all that should matter.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

francessca is licking his chops for 1:00 to get here fast , heck he should be the manager , if pettite bombs in game 6 it will be time for the yankees to hire him as manager

If they play the games first and then let him manage the replays he will still not know what the hell he is talking about. Frighteningly enough MadDog was a far better baseball guy than Francessa.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If they play the games first and then let him manage the replays he will still not know what the hell he is talking about. Frighteningly enough MadDog was a far better baseball guy than Francessa.

maybe Francessa can start telling ramon how to ride over at the big a , he's been pretty horrible lately